Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:31 pm  

I think Peet said the red card was irrelevant as he was refusing to get drawn into criticising it this making not sound like sour grapes and landing himself a fine. If he thought it was the correct decision he would have said so. A player sent off can almost never be irrelevant.

I get the reasoning behind it but sometimes there’s little the defender can do about it, Sironen was going down, yes the defender still has a duty of care but he can’t disappear or pull out in a fraction of a second. Common sense should be applied imo & it should have been a yellow. No malice in it though.

It was a good, exciting and intense game, the stats after the first 20 showed it was a level above the other games. Both teams were playing well overall and defences were strong. It was only when players tired the game opened up a bit. The two differing styles were evident.

Ultimately lost ball and forced offloads cost us and gave them the position from which they capitalised. It’s hard to criticise that, as it would partly be fatigue and partly the high risk strategy which has seen us win a lot of games and score some wonderful tries.

Peet spoke about learning lessons, I think that applies to him to. This was the wrong game to start Cust on his return, I was very surprised when I saw him on the team sheet. Do we know why KPP was left out?

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:43 pm  

Are forward passes not a thing any more? Counted 3 absolute shockers from Lomax in the last 10 mins alone and none mentioned on tv, nor picked up by the officials.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 9:58 pm  

[quote="Trainman"]I think Peet said the red card was irrelevant as he was refusing to get drawn into criticising it this making not sound like sour grapes and landing himself a fine. If he thought it was the correct decision he would have said so. A player sent off can almost never be irrelevant.

I get the reasoning behind it but sometimes there’s little the defender can do about it, Sironen was going down, yes the defender still has a duty of care but he can’t disappear or pull out in a fraction of a second. Common sense should be applied imo & it should have been a yellow. No malice in it though.

It was a good, exciting and intense game, the stats after the first 20 showed it was a level above the other games. Both teams were playing well overall and defences were strong. It was only when players tired the game opened up a bit. The two differing styles were evident.

Ultimately lost ball and forced offloads cost us and gave them the position from which they capitalised. It’s hard to criticise that, as it would partly be fatigue and partly the high risk strategy which has seen us win a lot of games and score some wonderful tries.

Peet spoke about learning lessons, I think that applies to him to. This was the wrong game to start Cust on his return, I was very surprised when I saw him on the team sheet. Do we know why KPP was left out?[/quote

According to the commentators taken ill Saturday morning.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:50 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Two points from the game for me-

Saints were the better team and deserved to win.

Singleton got Napa and Micky Mac’s red cards from last week.

Enjoyed it overall. We can’t keep making errors in our twenty but if we can cut them out we’ll go close. The games are so much better than last season.

I would add that we need to improve our line speed when defending. We allowed Welsby and Lomax too much thinking time.

Re: Saints (m) : Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:39 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Turning point of the game was the daft offload from Bateman gave momentum back to Saints.

This.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:45 am  

In peace…

I think Saints deserved it. If you look where you finished most sets then territorially we were on top. You were kicking from your own 40 quite a bit. Lack of composure a few times meant you either dropped it or turned the ball over on bad terms.

I actually think Wigan are the more ruthless of the two sides. We were on top for 25 mins but did nothing with it then you got one chance and scored.

Give Wigan the same amount of ball as saints and they score fair more points than us. But ultimately we beat you up In the middle and got more chances.

What I will say is only Wigan stop saints from winning it and vice verca.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:47 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Two points from the game for me-

Saints were the better team and deserved to win.

Singleton got Napa and Micky Mac’s red cards from last week.

Enjoyed it overall. We can’t keep making errors in our twenty but if we can cut them out we’ll go close. The games are so much better than last season.

We’ve had some good natured jousting on here but don’t ever ever play the milking card again. Watch Farrell 25 mins. Literally lied down, got a pen then did a star jump to get up haha

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:33 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

"Wigan recently develop a lot of small fairly average forwards that get raved about for reasons I don’t yet understand. Looking at your team who are the really stand out players developed at Wigan? All your best players have been signed. Farrell and Marshall maybe? Then a bunch of forwards who get shown up quite a lot against decent packs. Smith was the next big thing until he wasn’t."

There you go mate. Almost verbatim what I said

That’s a completely different context to what you initially said. And is all still correct - your pack was getting murdered again yesterday without Walmsley and some outstanding defence and a bit of quality from deep from Field and French kept you in the game. Second half and much of the first the Wigan pack went absolutely nowhere.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:38 am  

Whether intentional or not, a shoulder to the head is clearly dangerous and the RFL are right to make every effort to cut it out of the game. The responsibility is on Singleton to control his technique.

None of us want to see injury feigning - perhaps a captain’s challenge solution would be better? If Sironen feels he has been whacked, he can appeal for the video ref to look? If video ref disagrees, Saints can’t use the challenge again.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:42 am  

JonB95 wrote:

Whether intentional or not, a shoulder to the head is clearly dangerous and the RFL are right to make every effort to cut it out of the game. The responsibility is on Singleton to control his technique.

None of us want to see injury feigning - perhaps a captain’s challenge solution would be better? If Sironen feels he has been whacked, he can appeal for the video ref to look? If video ref disagrees, Saints can’t use the challenge again.

I love all this about Sironen feigning injury for looking like he’d got a direct shoulder the head after getting a direct shoulder to the head!

My favourite excuse for Singleton so far is he wasn’t looking and just putting the shoulder in. That’s the very definition of a reckless tackle - he deliberately leads with his shoulder so if that smacks someone’s head then he’s getting a card.

It’s not like it’s unusual for a player to be brought down from standing height when tackled by another player. Singleton led with the shoulder second man in - reckless and dangerous.

On the game - French was lethal when called upon and that break from Firld was all class.

I felt like Saints were well on top for big chunks of the first and most of the second half but Wigan looked much more dangerous with the ball. I think Wigan knew they would be dominated up front so played with lots of ball movement at times and looked really threatening given the pace they had across the pitch.

Great game and a good win. I was confident all week about covering injuries in the backs as we had a first choice pack but losing Walmsley on top was a concern. Of course Wigan had a few out too.