Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:38 pm  

jonh wrote:

Still expect both him and Smith to be in the NRL in 2026.

The 4 year deals will just mean both clubs can command a fee.

I was told on Saturday that the deal has no NRL get out clause transfer fee or not.

There’s more chance of a SL club signing him than an NL club before 2027.

I guess we’ll find out how true this is over the next few years.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:43 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I was told on Saturday that the deal has no NRL get out clause transfer fee or not.

There’s more chance of a SL club signing him than an NL club before 2027.

I guess we’ll find out how true this is over the next few years.

You were also told it was to 2028 as per your post on redvee.

Just saying

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:49 pm  

RobRiches wrote:

You were also told it was to 2028 as per your post on redvee.

Just saying

Yeah was a year out. You got me. Although technically the end of 2027 (which it is) is the start of 2028

Shall we look at the info you’ve told us all on here about transfers?

Just saying

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:55 pm  

jonh wrote:

Still expect both him and Smith to be in the NRL in 2026.

The 4 year deals will just mean both clubs can command a fee.

Probably but the floodgates are still being held back which is a positive. The marquee player rule has turned out to be a very smart move.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:12 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Probably but the floodgates are still being held back which is a positive. The marquee player rule has turned out to be a very smart move.

Pure speculation on my part I must say, I’ve no basis for thinking it, it’s just the way things generally go.

I agree regarding the marquee rule, perversely though I would like to see both go to the NRL because I don’t think either have a chance of getting to achieve their potential playing in SL.

It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I’d love them to play in a comp in SL that can compete with the standard of the NRL, and then leaving would weaken the competition but it’s at the moment the only way we will get to see how good they can be.

Not sure how we can resolve that certainly not in the short term anyway.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:06 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Yeah was a year out. You got me. Although technically the end of 2027 (which it is) is the start of 2028

Shall we look at the info you’ve told us all on here about transfers?

Just saying

You must remember Luke Thompson won’t ever sign for Wigan

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:38 am  

I don't think Welsby will ever go to the NRL. Hopefully some of ours follow suit. The Marquee rule allows this and I think there should be more leeway for players that come thru a club from a really young age to first team to help us keep our best players in our competition

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:34 am  

jonh wrote:

Pure speculation on my part I must say, I’ve no basis for thinking it, it’s just the way things generally go.

I agree regarding the marquee rule, perversely though I would like to see both go to the NRL because I don’t think either have a chance of getting to achieve their potential playing in SL.

It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I’d love them to play in a comp in SL that can compete with the standard of the NRL, and then leaving would weaken the competition but it’s at the moment the only way we will get to see how good they can be.

Not sure how we can resolve that certainly not in the short term anyway.

Well, a start would be not wanting players to go just to see how good they'd be! Keep devaluing the comp like that and it's an ever decreasing circle. Here's a radical thought: his about we fight tooth and nail to keep the best players in this comp and build from there...

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:09 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

Well, a start would be not wanting players to go just to see how good they'd be! Keep devaluing the comp like that and it's an ever decreasing circle. Here's a radical thought: his about we fight tooth and nail to keep the best players in this comp and build from there...

It’s not devaluing the comp it’s stating a fact.

The NRL is levels above SL.

I’m personally an internationalist. I’d give just about anything to see England consistently compete with the Australian and Kiwi teams over any club accolades we could achieve.

For that to happen we need English qualified players playing at the top of their game and unfortunately the only way they will do that is by playing at the highest possible level week in week out they can and that isn’t in SL.

Obviously so go and get found out but others go and take their game to levels we hadn’t seen them produce before.

The only way realistically we get up to NRL levels is improve the participation numbers at grass roots levels and the pathways to SL. Something historically is happening between Academy and SL that sees English players not progress at the levels their Australian based peers do.

There is no quick fix sadly.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:23 am  

jonh wrote:

Pure speculation on my part I must say, I’ve no basis for thinking it, it’s just the way things generally go.

I agree regarding the marquee rule, perversely though I would like to see both go to the NRL because I don’t think either have a chance of getting to achieve their potential playing in SL.

It’s a bit of a chicken and egg situation. I’d love them to play in a comp in SL that can compete with the standard of the NRL, and then leaving would weaken the competition but it’s at the moment the only way we will get to see how good they can be.

Not sure how we can resolve that certainly not in the short term anyway.

I have always wondered how this viewpoint translates to people such as O'loughlin, Andy Farrell, Roby, Peacock etc.

We have many players who made a name for themselves without needing to go to the NRL to prove it. If you are a player on top of your game, you will be guarenteed an England shirt (and i would expect Smith and Welsby to hold theirs now for a long time) and eventually you will get a chanve to prove yourself against the NRL players in test series. I saw a calendar not so long ago for IRL and we are pencilled in for test series vs. Oz and NZ before the end of both players contracts if i remember correctly, along with the Tonga series just gone (mostly NRL players) and hopefully Samoa next year (again NRL players).

Welsby already seems to have made a name for himself in NRL circles as if you follow any, basically every clubs fans wanted to sign him and talk about what a good player he is. Not really sure how this came about, but goes to show.