Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:15 pm  

bazdev wrote:

Wilkin/Westwood were Englands best players on the night

Westwood yes, Wilkin has no place anywhere near the England team

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:18 pm  

bazdev wrote:

Wilkin/Westwood were Englands best players on the night

Wilkin went well but he has been tried tested and failed time and time again, silly selection if we are trying to develop the International team, same can be said of the pointless call up of JBB.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:09 pm  

jonh wrote:

Wilkin went well but he has been tried tested and failed time and time again, silly selection if we are trying to develop the International team, same can be said of the pointless call up of JBB.

who?

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:18 pm  

Pieman wrote:

who?

He clearly meant JJB.

I actually don't think Wilkin is a major issue or concern, it what could have been used as a development exercise McBanana used a 13 at 6 who is at the back end of his career over some up and coming prospects who play regularly in the halves.
I understand the concept of putting out your best team no matter what, but I feel this was bad move from the coach.

I personally think Wilkin is a good player despite others, a very skillful second row forward, this has been proven when he's filled in at 6, not many SR could do a job in the halves.


I honestly think the coach is the real issue. The RFL seemed so hell bent on contracting an English man, they overlooked other much neeeded qualities.

The way he structured the halves was questionable, for me one of the main attacking options is getting Sam to link up in the line as we do, however there was no evidence of this, as a Wigan fan, I found it very frustrating to watch.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:35 pm  

Here's a question, when Ellis/Burgess et al are in the team, does Westwood start for England?

He's really changed my opinion of him and I think possibly Ellis/Westwood should be the 11/12 for England come 4 Nations time

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:38 pm  

Bill Sonny wrote:

Here's a question, when Ellis/Burgess et al are in the team, does Westwood start for England?

He's really changed my opinion of him and I think possibly Ellis/Westwood should be the 11/12 for England come 4 Nations time

Burgess to prop.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:47 pm  

Bill Sonny wrote:

Here's a question, when Ellis/Burgess et al are in the team, does Westwood start for England?

He's really changed my opinion of him and I think possibly Ellis/Westwood should be the 11/12 for England come 4 Nations time

Yes.

Burgess on the bench for me to add impact. That's if he's fit.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:17 pm  

inside_man wrote:

Burgess to prop.

Correct in place of Jamie Peacock.

Props - Adrian Morley, James Graham, Eorl Crabtree, Sam Burgess
Back row - Gareth Ellis, Ben Westwood, Joel Tomkins

With Roby and Robinson at hooker and Lockers (or possibly Sinfield) at loose forward we have an excellent set of forwards. Widdop and Brough in the halves looks promising. Sam Tomkins at fullback - Ryan Hall and Tom Briscoe both capable on the wing.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:17 pm  

Bill Sonny wrote:

Here's a question, when Ellis/Burgess et al are in the team, does Westwood start for England?

He's really changed my opinion of him and I think possibly Ellis/Westwood should be the 11/12 for England come 4 Nations time

Westwood should be the first name on the teamsheet for England based on recent performances.

Re: Rumours and signings v7 : Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:20 pm  

But the fact is, Jamie Peacock will start for England come Four Nations time... Where does he slot Burgess in to the team? I'm positive Burgess will play, what with the hype and Mcbanana's Bradford connection with him...