Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:14 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

He’s going to be so important in the big games. It’s his footwork that’s the big difference and he is constantly getting forward because of it. Havard is much the same and he’ll be important as well. Looking at last night and the minutes the props played, I would say Ellis or Mago will be vulnerable when Havard is available. I always thought Singleton would retain a starting shirt and I still do.

Yep, suddenly Ellis looking at risk of losing his place. Overall I think he’s done ok this year but compared to Cooper & Havard he seems a way off.

Can only be healthy to have that kind of competition amongst the props and it’s becoming a real problem for our rivals.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:27 pm  

dany1979 wrote:

Lots of attention and praise on our backs (and rightly so) we are a very exciting team to watch but really impressed with Mike Cooper.

I know some people didn’t think we needed to bring in another prop hopefully they can now see the difference that he is making.

The Saints pack, whilst ageing is still a good one and I thought they struggled to handle him, he’s a bit of a machine and compliments what we have.

Looking like a pretty shrewd signing for us.

I think he has to start - difficult to decide who he should start with. I think you always need someone on the field who you can trust to make some metres - Singleton and Byrne are durable but maybe easier to dominate than the other four.

You can't have 6 props in the 17 so one has to miss out. Patrick Mago is the interesting one - Peet clearly doesn't trust his defensive stamina against St Helens - he played around 15 minutes last night. I think on balance you have to say he should be in the 17 as he provides that X factor that others don't have.

It would (regretfully) be Liam Byrne to miss out for me.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:12 pm  

Jason65 wrote:

Well it would surprise me as it was a good tackle.

Not sure how you can say that, Simm was pretty clearly lifted over the horizontal and drove down into the ground. I don’t think it was on purpose or anything like, was just clumsy. People accusing Simm of milking that is shocking though

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:15 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

We saw plenty of hype around his signing, maybe too much when you look at his initial MOS odds.

In reality he's a 6 still learning his trade. According to wiki he played 27 games for Manly over a couple of years. I can imagine a high % of them would have been from the bench, plus some at 9 too. That's a player who's in and out of the side. One week he's a 6, next he's a 9 and then he's out of the side for a few weeks etc.

Game wise at HB, he's a way behind Harry Smith in regards to mins played, but is probably seen as the senior of the two. Maybe it's that NRL rub i.e. he's been brought over from Aus, so he's gotta be a superstar and in the running for MOS.

He's here for another year and then there's a third year that can be activated (not sure by who). I'm sure that we'll see a marked improvements from the lad in each of those seasons. He'll be a pretty experienced 6 by the end of 2024 and I'm sure that was his/our plan all along.

Early days, but I'm happy with both Cust and Smith. If we could get another 4 or 5 years of them as pair, then I'd be chuffed to bits.

Not enough pace or craft for me, but I am happy to be proved wrong.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:19 pm  

But it wasn't over the horizontal was it? That's the point. It was a perfectly legal. Shall we start handing out bans because somebody makes a strong challenge now?

You are struggling to make a point because there isn't one to make. Wigan won, Saints lost, not because of the ref, not because Saints must play their strongst 17 every week and not because of bad tackling. They were beaten by the better team and by a team that is going to be miles better in a couple of years.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:21 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Not sure how you can say that, Simm was pretty clearly lifted over the horizontal and drove down into the ground. I don’t think it was on purpose or anything like, was just clumsy. People accusing Simm of milking that is shocking though

As was the Saints fans booing a player who's head was pumping with blood. It was literally streaming down his face. That's the nature of partisan support.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:22 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Not sure how you can say that, Simm was pretty clearly lifted over the horizontal and drove down into the ground. I don’t think it was on purpose or anything like, was just clumsy. People accusing Simm of milking that is shocking though

I can easily say that as it is my point of view,his leg was lifted his other one he did it by himself ,both legs were not lifted ie Cust hand was not around both legs at the same time,he also did not land on his head his shoulders,yes.

Would like to point out I am not saying he milked it he clearly was injured,hope he recovers quickly.

If he does get banned so be it I wont cry we will just carry on,I hope he doesnt but players have been banned for less.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:26 pm  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

But it wasn't over the horizontal was it? That's the point. It was a perfectly legal. Shall we start handing out bans because somebody makes a strong challenge now?

You are struggling to make a point because there isn't one to make. Wigan won, Saints lost, not because of the ref, not because Saints must play their strongst 17 every week and not because of bad tackling. They were beaten by the better team and by a team that is going to be miles better in a couple of years.

I agree especially with next 2 years comment and as Mr diamond sang- so good,so good.
Really enjoyed it last night,more to come I suspect.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:41 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

I think he has to start - difficult to decide who he should start with. I think you always need someone on the field who you can trust to make some metres - Singleton and Byrne are durable but maybe easier to dominate than the other four.

You can't have 6 props in the 17 so one has to miss out. Patrick Mago is the interesting one - Peet clearly doesn't trust his defensive stamina against St Helens - he played around 15 minutes last night. I think on balance you have to say he should be in the 17 as he provides that X factor that others don't have.

It would (regretfully) be Liam Byrne to miss out for me.

With the Farrell injured Smithies may play Left back row with a prop starting at loose.

Re: Wigan v Saints (h) (match talk not general chat) : Sat Aug 27, 2022 2:46 pm  

NSW wrote:

With the Farrell injured Smithies may play Left back row with a prop starting at loose.

KPP will play on the left I think, probably with Bibby at left centre and Isa on the right.