: Thu May 28, 2009 11:41 am  

Bondi_Warrior wrote:

Im not doubting he would be good in Superleague, so would many other poor past it NRL players.

Agreed just as many very good Aussies struggle also, its not as simple as saying if you are good in the NRL you will be good in SL, you have to look at the style of player and how they play the game not just the fact they are good in the NRL, something i think the clubs are quickly learning.

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:41 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Completely disagree.

And looking at your comments about orford and o meley I question how much you watch them play.

Why?

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:42 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

That's the sad thing about it all. people believe what they want to believe and it's easier for them to think we're getting a top class rep standard prop than what O'Meley is today.

I keep hearing Orfords name, but how many watch him play often? he'd be an unknown in SL.

Not that many im guessing. That one or two games a week you guys get on Setanta seems to make many fans an NRL expert

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:45 am  

jonh wrote:

Agreed just as many very good Aussies struggle also, its not as simple as saying if you are good in the NRL you will be good in SL, you have to look at the style of player and how they play the game not just the fact they are good in the NRL, something i think the clubs are quickly learning.

Completely agree, we've all seen good Aussies come over to Superleague only to turn out to be overpaid has beens, doesnt take long to think of a few players like that. Its very hit and miss.

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:48 am  

Bondi_Warrior wrote:

Completely agree, we've all seen good Aussies come over to Superleague only to turn out to be overpaid has beens, doesnt take long to think of a few players like that. Its very hit and miss.

Indeed it is not hence you have to look at more than just the way they play in the NRL.

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:52 am  

jonh wrote:

Why?

Because of how you rate the 2 (O Meley and Orford)

Orford is often patchy in games and has an awesome team around him, this won't happen at Wigan.
How many players come from Aus and don't have an impact? And yet you over look someone who has proved himself time and time again in SL, a winner a leader. Someone who is better than Orford, a know quantity.

O Meley this season and last hasn't been good, yet you talk about him as if he's still a top prop.

: Thu May 28, 2009 11:54 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Because of how you rate the 2 (O Meley and Orford)

Orford is often patchy in games and has an awesome team around him, this won't happen at Wigan.
How many players come from Aus and don't have an impact? And yet you over look someone who has proved himself time and time again in SL, a winner a leader. Someone who is better than Orford, a know quantity.

O Meley this season and last hasn't been good, yet you talk about him as if he's still a top prop.

Where have i suggested he is a top Prop? I have actually stated he has struggled at the Roosters, what i have said his style suits the slower pace of the game that he will get in SL.

As for the description of Orford highlighted are you sure you are not confusing him with Sean Long?

: Thu May 28, 2009 12:00 pm  

jonh wrote:

Where have i suggested he is a top Prop? I have actually stated he has struggled at the Roosters, what i have said his style suits the slower pace of the game that he will get in SL.

As for the description of Orford highlighted are you sure you are not confusing him with Sean Long?

I'm not going to get in a debate with you. I've seen how you post on here and I'm not being dragging into it.
It all comes down to opinion.

On this, mine and yours differ.

: Thu May 28, 2009 12:03 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

And yet you over look someone who has proved himself time and time again in SL, a winner a leader. Someone who is better than Orford, a know quantity.

Where possible i'd like to see us sign players from this country that are settled in and know the demands of superleague without underestimating it like i feel alot of the Aussies do.

Thats why my 2 top targets would be Myler and Lynch but after those 2 we'd probably have to be going overseas because the quality just isn't available over here.

As for Long or Orford it's a tough one but for the sakes of keeping the partners in crime Long and Gleeson apart i'd probably edge towards Orford.

: Thu May 28, 2009 12:11 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

I'm not going to get in a debate with you. I've seen how you post on here and I'm not being dragging into it.
It all comes down to opinion.

On this, mine and yours differ.

I agree, sorry if you felt you were getting dragged into anything? All i am saying is your description of Orford would match my description of Long but Long is older which makes him a less sensible option than Orford.