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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 9:16 am  
Smithies is starting to look like the player he was built up to be and Smith is starting to show himself as that kid that took the Aussies apart.

Every single player has improved massively already this season and Peet and the rest of the staff deserve all the credit they are getting and will continue to get.

Remember when everyone laughed at the appointments, including some of our own fans?
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 9:27 am  
61 tackles from Smithies.

Outstanding effort and as others have said has added to his attacking play this year.

Yes he has an edge to him and to be honest I don’t mind him giving away a few penalties as long as he does it in the right areas of the field.

I honestly didn’t think there was too much in the Lolohea tackle on the day, rewatching it probably worthy of a penalty nothing more.

I do know it was a tackle that needed making.

I think a team can accommodate one “grub” and I use that term with respect as I think he plays a role for us in that capacity.

He irritates the opposition and gets in their faces and under their skin. I’m not sure you can carry 2 in the squad which may be the reason Partington rumours to Wire are seeming to grow.

Smithies plays with high levels of emotion and passion, the danger is that they occasionally spiral out of control however if you try to temper it too much I fear you could harm his game.

Hopefully as he matures he learns how to maintain a state of clarity whilst being emotionally charged. That would see the best version of Smithies in my opinion.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 9:31 am  
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yeah he tried but due to the speed of play he couldnt get there, sometimes it just good play


I agree it was good play and the fullback was not fast enough to read the play
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 10:28 am  
Now that I’ve finished celebrating, I can post a few reflections. Firstly, and most importantly, we got the win and the 20th cup win. I’ve been wanting that for a long time, so that is good. The stadium was terrific and, while we all miss the days of 80’000+ at the cup final I think we should be celebrating bringing 51’000 to London in the middle of a cost of living crisis and following a pandemic that’s hit our sport pretty hard. It was a great atmosphere and I would be happy to go back to the stadium, although the train journey afterwards was a bit of a mare.
Pre-match entertainment gets lazier and lazier. I’m always glad to see Lizzie Jones there but, apart from that it was very poor. I wish we could have the schoolkids playing again, rather than wasting time with a dj.
The match itself was not a classic but it was certainly exciting and absorbing throughout. We knew it would be tough and it was. I had no problem with McQueen getting the Lance Todd, I thought he went very well but Smithies was probably the pick of the bunch for me. He is having a fantastic season and I hope we can keep him for years to come. Leuluai was huge for us, especially following Cust’s injury. If he wasn’t fit for this match I don’t think we would have won. Hill going off had a big impact as well, not just for messing with Huddersfield’s rotation but also the leadership and experience he brings.
I thought that Child had a good game and, honestly, I don’t think referees get a fair shake at all from fans these days. I’d have him over Ganson every day of the week. I can see Huddersfield fans would have a fair point regarding Smithies not getting at least a yellow, based on the season so far but, equally, I think it is generally expected that referees show a little more latitude in finals and, on previous seasons, I don’t see Smithies walking for that. It could have gone either way.
I feel for Huddersfield and their fans – they should have won with the possession and territory that they had but, in my opinion, they didn’t make it pay. As others have said, their tactic of dying with the ball on the last with just a two point lead was over cautious to the extreme. I think they were too concerned about the possibility of turning the ball over to Field or French, but they should have been looking for repeat sets to turn the screw and potentially get the match-winning score. The whole performance screamed “you have to lose one to win one” for me, and I think they will be better for this if they can keep their heads up.
Wigan, on the other hand, stuck at it and we took our chances when we needed to. Being critical, we were sloppy with high tackles a few too many times, giving Huddersfield easy yards that they did not need. We failed to complete sets after both of our first two tries, which really hurts us, particularly after the second try when I felt we had an opportunity to put Huddersfield under real pressure but let them off the hook instantly. Made up for Marshall, especially since I am a Wigan Marshall! I don’t know if I am actually related to Liam and David but, asking my Dad, he said that he knows there was another branch of the family that our lot weren’t in touch with, so it could well be. Either way, I’m claiming them!
All in all, I am really happy with that. It was far from a perfect performance but a lot of that is down to the performance of Huddersfield. I am not going to get bogged down in being critical of our errors and shortcomings when we lifted the trophy. Obviously, I want to see the team push on from here and have a real dig at the Grand Final. However, I will be reminding myself for the rest of the season that most of us were not really expecting silverware this season, so we are already ahead of my initial expectations.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 10:32 am  
What Smithies has got rid of this season which used to infuriate me about him was the soft penalties he was giving away, the hand on the ball or the ankle grab, he's a much better player for it, he's probably going to get a couple of games for the high shot but we should be lauding him for that off-load in very heavy traffic, brilliant piece of play
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Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 11:02 am  
Smithies has gone to a different level this year.

What he was doing as a 18 year old rookie in 2019was amazing but he stagnated in the 2 years since (he admitted this himself).

This year his tackles and carries have much more impact and he comfortably wrestled the loose forward role away from Isa.

With regards high shots, if you are playing 80 minutes in the middle of the field in and intense game and making 61 tackles you’d bound to get the odd one wrong. He’s improved his discipline this year.


I genuinely can’t remember him ever offloading but that one on Saturday is one to remember. Would be a nice additional to his game if he can do it more consistently.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 1:11 pm  
A nice little read of Redvee and boy was it worth it.

According to the sad one we are still “horrendous”

They still can’t get they head round the fact sooper doooper “best team of all time” got smoked by us in the semi.

Its really funny.

And we’re just getting going with this coaching staff.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 1:16 pm  
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A nice little read of Redvee and boy was it worth it.

According to the sad one we are still “horrendous”

They still can’t get they head round the fact sooper doooper “best team of all time” got smoked by us in the semi.

Its really funny.

And we’re just getting going with this coaching staff.


My favourite quote is "Was there a game this weekend?". They really are an embarrassment
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 1:18 pm  
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Was there a game this weekend?".


There was if you were good enough to get through to the final
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 1:21 pm  
Banging on about Smithies but no mention of Yates who's also been banned, strong is the bitterness over there, personally I'll be very disappointed if they beat us again this season, the most one dimensional team in the league
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