Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:58 am  

apollosghost wrote:

Vaealiki will always be fondly remembered in these parts for going the length of the field against Saints, turning Wellens inside out and confirming Wellens's nickname for all time as "the slug".
Thanks for reminding us of him.

Exactly.

Wellens should’ve retired gracefully after that but he didn’t, and went on to lose 4 Grand Finals in a row

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:10 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

Pie_Eyter wrote:

Salford have signed Kallum Watkins on a 3 year deal. If there is one coach in this league capable of getting somebody back to their best then it's Watson. That could turn out to be the shrewdest signing of the league. Anywhere else i don't think Watkins works, but working with Watson and his success on the players he has brought back to life brings a different perspective on it all together.

The guy can barely run. Just like it was common knowledge to everyone about Burgess, the same can be said about Watkins

You were saying...... not bad for someone who hasn't played for months. Watson needs to be Wigans coach long term.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:52 pm  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

You were saying...... not bad for someone who hasn't played for months. Watson needs to be Wigans coach long term.

Why should Watson be Wigan’s long term coach and not Lam?

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:03 pm  

jonh wrote:

Why should Watson be Wigan’s long term coach and not Lam?

Because Lam was never meant to be and will never be our long term coach. If he's successful then he'll be snapped up the NRL.

I know you're a Lam fan, but I just don't see what's sold you? We've had 18+ month mixed bag of performances and little structure.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:24 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Because Lam was never meant to be and will never be our long term coach. If he's successful then he'll be snapped up the NRL.

I know you're a Lam fan, but I just don't see what's sold you? We've had 18+ month mixed bag of performances and little structure.

Salford have had 1 good year...are currently the team that had fallen from Grace more than any other this year and are in a struggle to avoid finishing bottom.

I just don’t get the clamour for him to be some kind of saviour.

The first point you made is in my opinion very important.

Lam was never supposed to be our long term coach. What a job to step in to. Literally no win. It was no coincidence our form turned round when the Edwards fiasco ran its course.

Lam is in my opinion slowly building the squad he wants.

He has in my opinion earned the right to see this project through into next year with his team.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:56 pm  

jonh wrote:

Salford have had 1 good year...are currently the team that had fallen from Grace more than any other this year and are in a struggle to avoid finishing bottom.

I just don’t get the clamour for him to be some kind of saviour.

The first point you made is in my opinion very important.

Lam was never supposed to be our long term coach. What a job to step in to. Literally no win. It was no coincidence our form turned round when the Edwards fiasco ran its course.

Lam is in my opinion slowly building the squad he wants.

He has in my opinion earned the right to see this project through into next year with his team.

+1. I'm not saying Lam is or isn't great but he's doing well enough to see how it pans out

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:07 am  

I’ve been a critic of Lam and last week doesn’t make up for the months of looking pretty clueless but it’s a starting point if hopefully turning things round. Turning things round isn’t scrapping enough wins to get in the plays offs or make a semi or final of the cup, it’s looking well coached, looking like we have a game plan, improving our discipline and our error count and when the acid tests come round we can’t afford to have no gears to go through like last years play offs. We can’t afford to be passive every time we face St Helens and just let ourselves be a sitting duck.

It’s a big day for Lammy tomorrow. I do have a good bit of hope that the HKR defeat was a line in the sand moment and the signs last week were extremely positive. I’d love nothing more than for him to be a success here but doubts still remain for me. If we go out tomorrow and out in a confident performance a few more may disappear.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:54 am  

jonh wrote:

Why should Watson be Wigan’s long term coach and not Lam?

Because i believe Watson is a far better man manager. He constantly has his best players taken with zero budget but he always manages to get the players to roll their sleeves up and perform (most) weeks whilst trying to replace players like for like. He seems to be able to make a Rolls Royce out of pig iron. I was a Lam fan and wanted to give him time but now after some dreadful performances he now needs to convince me he deserves to be here.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:36 am  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

Because i believe Watson is a far better man manager. He constantly has his best players taken with zero budget but he always manages to get the players to roll their sleeves up and perform (most) weeks whilst trying to replace players like for like. He seems to be able to make a Rolls Royce out of pig iron. I was a Lam fan and wanted to give him time but now after some dreadful performances he now needs to convince me he deserves to be here.

Once again, who does he consistently get the best out of?

Last year he had a very special player and man of steel. This year they are poor.

Last week despite numerous players missing and a pack made up of kids we absolutely dominated Catalans. Outplayed them in every department.

Salford have lost that player (to us) and have literally dropped like a stone down the league table.

Yesterday Salford beat Catalans in extra time and Watson is still regarded by some as some kind of super coach.

Personally don’t get it.

Nat saying he is a bad coach by the way just applying some common sense to the situation.

Re: Other Teams' Rumours And Signings For 2021 : Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:52 am  

jonh wrote:

Once again, who does he consistently get the best out of?

Last year he had a very special player and man of steel. This year they are poor.

Last week despite numerous players missing and a pack made up of kids we absolutely dominated Catalans. Outplayed them in every department.

Salford have lost that player (to us) and have literally dropped like a stone down the league table.

Yesterday Salford beat Catalans in extra time and Watson is still regarded by some as some kind of super coach.

Personally don’t get it.

Nat saying he is a bad coach by the way just applying some common sense to the situation.

Dudson, Bibby, Jones, Welham, Mossop, Lolohea, Lui, Hastings, etc, etc. Pretty much all of them. Most of which are players who nobody else wanted. John i have been saying it since day 1. I really, really want Lam to succeed. He has got until the end of the season for me. We won nothing last year and if it's another barren year with this squad then he clearly isn't up to it. Just my opinion but i think Watson has earned the chance to coach at a bigger club with better players and a bigger budget. I don't think there is anyone better around.