Re: How much longer : Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:12 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game....

Get a grip, the above cannot be put down to training techniques and it's a collision sport in which players get hurt. We play the game tough and I wouldn't want it any other way. We are champions and world champions because of Wane, not in spite of him.

The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'd say the 4 is deffo gone but when you get your best players back you'll have a helluva say in who eventually wins it.

Re: How much longer : Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:51 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Nothing to do with recruitment. If we had the below team available I'm comfortable we would have won one or both trophies.

FB 22 Escare
RW 2 Manfredi/35 Marshall
RC 3 Gelling
LC 4 Gildart
LW 5 Burgess
SO 6 Williams
SH 1 S.Tomkins
P 19 Sutton
H 7 Leuluai
P 10 Flower
SR 14 Bateman
SR 12 Farrell
LF 13 O'Loughlin

S 9 McIlorum/16 Powell
S 11 J.Tomkins/20 Isa
S 15 Clubb
S 17 Tautai

Not a chance - seriously

Re: How much longer : Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:21 pm  

Grimmy you need to face facts, Wakey would've won everything had Miller not gotten injured.

Re: How much longer : Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:23 pm  

Alternative reply:

vastman wrote:

:shock: Not a chance - seriously

Wtf does a Wakey fan know about winning trophies? Seriously.

Re: How much longer : Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:45 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game....

.........The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world.

This. Hopefully we can channel everything in to a Challenge Cup win. Anything else, I feel, may be beyond us. If that doesn't happen, we take it on the chin and go again next year. I am fed with going on about injuries. Last year was bad but this season has been beyond belief. SW has earned some breathing space, of that there is no doubt.

Re: How much longer : Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:55 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

Alternative reply:

Wtf does a Wakey fan know about winning trophies? Seriously.

Actually we are experts now at not winning them hence Vastys point you have no chance we know

Re: How much longer : Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:12 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote: Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game.... Get a grip, the above cannot be put down to training techniques and it's a collision sport in which players get hurt. We play the game tough and I wouldn't want it any other way. We are champions and world champions because of Wane, not in spite of him. The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world. It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290

Bigredwarrior wrote: Yes it's Wane's fault Clubb needed a kidney removed! It's his fault Leuluai broke his jaw, it's his fault Flower snapped an Achilles' tendon during a game, it's his fault Bateman needed shoulder surgery following an injury during a game, it was his fault Manfredi damaged his knee in a twist during a tackle last year, it's his fault McIlorum broke his ankle during a game.... Get a grip, the above cannot be put down to training techniques and it's a collision sport in which players get hurt. We play the game tough and I wouldn't want it any other way. We are champions and world champions because of Wane, not in spite of him. The last few weeks we've been poor but the young lads need a rest and will get one soon. Judge the team and Wane at the end of the season. I'd say the top 4 might be gone but we could still win the challenge cup and in the circumstances that wouldn't be the end of the world. It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290

Re: How much longer : Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:25 am  

Hindsight is always 20/20...

Re: How much longer : Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:20 pm  

exiled Warrior wrote:

Last night showed for me that we are paying for the injuries. The current team is playing on empty, eventually it catches up with players and the last couple of games it has big time (the double header weekends are a big factor as well), add in a lack of confidence to the busted players and it was a recipe for disaster (and a fired up Leigh).

Players playing too many games before they are ready and players out of position is never going to work long term - three fit props (I don't count Navarrette as he is still very raw and it showed last night) is never going to be enough and I worry that the returning players are not props which is where we really struggle at present. Losing both Flower and Clubb at the same time really hurt us.

The lack of a goal kicker is a worry - none of the options last night looked anything like a goal kicker but this is an on-going issue (Smith was far from consistent) since Pat Richards left.

Sadly I see more pain for a while as the returning players are going to take time to get to match fitness.

It's also not helped that last season was similar so over 2yearssome players have played a lot more than would normally be expected the resins for so many and for so long is probably going to be different from each player but it does seem odd that it's a similar issue this year as last but it's just starting to take it's toll I don't think wane cane be totally responsible many players play with niggles and say they feel better than they really do but sometimes that extra game or two would pay off in the long run !

And yes goal kickers are vital I remember botica being a great kicker a good player who without his kicking possibly wouldn't have been in that Wigan team at that time?? The strong certainty of a try being converted is crucial and can translate to 4-10 league points and be the difference between winning and losing crucial games and finals !!

I hope you get players back and thi kicking issue sorted after we play you tho lol

Re: How much longer : Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:56 am  

muttywhitedog wrote: It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290 I saw this mate but I stand by my comment. I can just imagine the conversation. 'Tony Clubb is having a poor game, he must need a kidney removed!' Seriously I don't know how anybody could have known but what an attitude the lad must have. To come back after 58 days and play like he did speaks volumes. Great to have him back. A point of interest (glass half full), although our form is still scratchy, we haven't lost any of the last 3 games. The returning players are getting fitter and I'm confident we'll get a win in France next week.

muttywhitedog wrote: It seems SW has admitted that he should have seen the signs that something wasn't right with Clubb: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8623290 I saw this mate but I stand by my comment. I can just imagine the conversation. 'Tony Clubb is having a poor game, he must need a kidney removed!' Seriously I don't know how anybody could have known but what an attitude the lad must have. To come back after 58 days and play like he did speaks volumes. Great to have him back. A point of interest (glass half full), although our form is still scratchy, we haven't lost any of the last 3 games. The returning players are getting fitter and I'm confident we'll get a win in France next week.