Re: Wakefield (h) : Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:57 pm  

jonh wrote:

I read the table wrong and you are correct it was only 1 miss. I wrongly took MT to be missed tackles not marker tackles.

You have to take stats in the context of the actual game.

Most of Wardell yards came off the back of his try which was a clear run to the line.

I do wonder if you understand the game, particularly the way Wigan play.

Wigan have not relied on props to make meters in a long time, since pre Wane days.

We rely on our outside backs, centres and secondrows to make meters.

Our props are there to win the physicality arm wrestle in the middle. They failed on Saturday to to this and given the time Havard was on his work rate is still quite low.

This skews his stats in that department. His stats highlighted a low work rate.

I think Havard is one of those props that needs a few games in order to hit his straps. When he has returned following injury he has looked sluggish.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:58 pm  

jonh wrote:

For some reason it’s not allowing me to quote in response SP however this is in direct response to the post above re picking Mago.

I’d like to know what bit you don’t agree with.

Just an example regards Wardle his try scoring run was circa 45 meters, a gain he didn’t have to beat anyone on or engage contact. Removing that run his work rate for the 80 was 65 meters off 7 carries.

We have for over 10 years played where our style is wingers, centres and second rows are our go forward.

When it is your job to carry 7 isn’t enough. If you post on here you may know I’ve links to Wardle he’s a top class centre and I’ve championed him for a long time as a Wigan signing (think it was me that confirmed it around the time he made his England debut mid season) but that isn’t enough….and he knows it.

I never claimed King had a good game, I did say he was out most effective back and the stats back that up. Yes obviously he made the error for the SKD try by getting his read wrong and taking the lead runner. I didn’t see his other miss which led to a try (care to enlighten me) I did see his excellent try saving effort.

I picked Havard out because I incorrectly read he missed 5 tackles. That was the main factor in that.

I’m not sure how long he was on the field for but he seemed to have decent game time certainly compared to some of the other middles yet he competed only 16 tackles. Ellis was next lowest with 17 and he hardly seemed to be on the field.

Singleton 21, Cooper 23, Smithies 40, Byrne 23. That tells me of the middles he had the lowest work rate in defence despite playing what I felt was significant minutes.

In answer to your question I felt given it is our props job to do the tough defensive work that he was least effective in this roll. He seemed to lose collisions too.

In reality could argue that they could drop any for Mago though.

Why bring Mago in?…because it would send a message to say failure to perform means you lose your spot in an area in which we are pretty congested. It highlights competition for places and says if you don’t hit certain levels someone else gets a shot.

Personally I also think that our Prop rotation is a bit bland, in that they all tend to be very similar. Mago brings something different in short spells more impact and ability to offload. He has lost his place because he isn’t the grafter in defence but I feel he can be accommodated for short effective spells because others are capable of playing longer minutes.

Team selection is fluid, not everything is black and white as you seem to think it is. I’m not saying Havard (or anyone) misses out for the rest of the season I just personally believe if players underperform when other proven players are waiting in the wings for a shot…then they have a week off or until they can fight there way back into the team, which invariably they do.

It’s not wardles job to make meters. It’s his job to score and set up tries. That said, I’ve read on this very forum that it’s not a props job to make meters, it’s a props job to dominate in defense lmao. It’s safe to say that poster has no idea what they are talking about so best to ignore them.

I watched the hull kr game. King was as terrible as you would expect given he is below average at best but wardle was ok

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:05 pm  

Just watched Peet on Wigan TV. He said a few lads who didn’t play last week will get a go.

A couple will be dropped.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:34 pm  

NSW wrote:

Just watched Peet on Wigan TV. He said a few lads who didn’t play last week will get a go.

A couple will be dropped.

No doubt O'Neil + take your pick of the props, Isa and Mago to come in

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:36 pm  

NSW wrote:

Just watched Peet on Wigan TV. He said a few lads who didn’t play last week will get a go.

A couple will be dropped.

A few to me seems to infer more than a couple.
I think Isa is a certainty to start and Mago on the bench is a strong probability.
Maybe he’s going to bring Shorrocks into the 17 as well?
Powell didn’t end the season well and I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts on the bench. Personally as per previous post I don’t see the logic/rationale of having both Powell and O’Neil in a 17 man squad. Total waste of a substitute.

Will be interesting to see who is dropped. I think KPP is almost certain to be dropped and then any of the props from last week could be omitted.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:41 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

No doubt O'Neil + take your pick of the props, Isa and Mago to come in

Would really send a message if he excluded Powell rather than O’Neil. I don’t think that will happen as our defence was so poor last week and Peet won’t risk the possibility of it deteriorating even more so if Powell wasn’t in the starting 13.
Interesting times.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:52 pm  

Field
French
King
Wardle
Marshall
Cust
Smith
Byrne
Powell
Cooper
Isa
Farrell
Smithies

Shorrocks
Mago/Singleton
Ellis
Havard

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:15 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Would really send a message if he excluded Powell rather than O’Neil. I don’t think that will happen as our defence was so poor last week and Peet won’t risk the possibility of it deteriorating even more so if Powell wasn’t in the starting 13.
Interesting times.

I don't think it'll be Powell dropped. At the game I noticed that O'Neil got caught three or four times with his back to the play the ball, a big no no defensively.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:53 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I don't think it'll be Powell dropped. At the game I noticed that O'Neil got caught three or four times with his back to the play the ball, a big no no defensively.

I think it will be 2 props or 1 prop and O’Neil with Mago and Isa coming in. Isa to start, Mago off the bench.

Re: Wakefield (h) : Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:05 pm  

Mago should be in the squad IMO simply because he's a point of difference. He obviously has limitations but on Saturday there was no-one on the bench that we could look to and believe that they may change the direction of the game. Also as someone else mentioned earlier this week, all of the five props selected on Saturday are capable of more minutes so ideally there would be more of a focus on impact from the bench (even if it's in short bursts).