Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:10 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

There is an element of it being Saints, of course there is, but I think any club would be getting talked about when they’ve gone in to the sort of meltdown Saints did Friday. The only time I see/hear players, officials and the crowd going in to that sort of tantrum mode is at Catalans. It’s not an excuse but I think they feel there’s a bit of them (as in the English) against us that goes on and while it’s not true, you do always have that in your mind, much in the same way as when we get an Aussie ref in games against Australia.

Not sure that the players and officials were in meltdown. Percival granted was extremely angry and had to be spoken to by Walmsley but Wellens handled it really well I thought with his post-match comments, giving Leeds credit and making no excuses. I also loved the fact he said he is seeking clarification with the officials this week as if shoulder charges are now allowed then we have players who love to tackle and he will now tell them to do that

Welsby reacted to what he thought was an illegal shot, lots of players do similar so not sure what the fuss was there.

A small section of fans were embarrassing unfortunately. Even leaving the ground there was fighting somewhere as stewards were running and you could hear the noise. Not nice when you have your 10 and 12 year old lads with you. That smacks of being sore losers and its disappointing.

I was more bothered with our performance. We missed 54 tackles, a number which we probably struggle to beat in a month if not longer. We looked shot to pieces, leggy and falling off tackles.

I've said before there is a blueprint to beating Saints and thats going wide early to nullify our compressed defence. If a team has the speed and ability to do this we'll struggle. If some passes had stuck for Castleford last week then they would've scored more points.

Given that we have lost Batchelor for 10 weeks, then for Sironen and Matautia to continue with their late hits was ridiculous. They spent half of last season sat in the stands and know what's coming. They have to be better. Hurrell just lost his head with that one, very uncharacteristic from him

However with all that said and how poor and ill disciplined we were, Makinson kicks that easy penalty that he missed and we win the game. Its certainly no time to overreact.

The WCC will impact on us this season, I said that before a ball was kicked and we won't be winning the LLS this season. Its how we respond now that's key

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:16 am  

Wellens handled it well but made a sarcastic comment about whether shoulder charges are allowed.

I suspect it sounded something like...

"Whinge whinge moan cry but but but shoulder charge whinge moan cry"

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:24 am  

Stu M wrote:

Not sure that the players and officials were in meltdown. Percival granted was extremely angry and had to be spoken to by Walmsley but Wellens handled it really well I thought with his post-match comments, giving Leeds credit and making no excuses. I also loved the fact he said he is seeking clarification with the officials this week as if shoulder charges are now allowed then we have players who love to tackle and he will now tell them to do that

Welsby reacted to what he thought was an illegal shot, lots of players do similar so not sure what the fuss was there.

A small section of fans were embarrassing unfortunately. Even leaving the ground there was fighting somewhere as stewards were running and you could hear the noise. Not nice when you have your 10 and 12 year old lads with you. That smacks of being sore losers and its disappointing.

I was more bothered with our performance. We missed 54 tackles, a number which we probably struggle to beat in a month if not longer. We looked shot to pieces, leggy and falling off tackles.

I've said before there is a blueprint to beating Saints and thats going wide early to nullify our compressed defence. If a team has the speed and ability to do this we'll struggle. If some passes had stuck for Castleford last week then they would've scored more points.

Given that we have lost Batchelor for 10 weeks, then for Sironen and Matautia to continue with their late hits was ridiculous. They spent half of last season sat in the stands and know what's coming. They have to be better. Hurrell just lost his head with that one, very uncharacteristic from him

However with all that said and how poor and ill disciplined we were, Makinson kicks that easy penalty that he missed and we win the game. Its certainly no time to overreact.

The WCC will impact on us this season, I said that before a ball was kicked and we won't be winning the LLS this season. Its how we respond now that's key

So basically,
Wellens honest in defeat-
Fans fighting,shouting at Rohan and everyone not connected with Saints-
Hurrell kicking bottles etc
Welsby running in (everone else does that)-
Percy being told to calm down as he was losing it by Walmsley-
And you are not sure that Players/officials?fans not in meltdowm -OK
Only person to come out with any credit was Wellens.(just about )

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:32 am  

Jason65 wrote:

So basically,
Wellens honest in defeat-
Fans fighting,shouting at Rohan and everyone not connected with Saints-
Hurrell kicking bottles etc
Welsby running in (everone else does that)-
Percy being told to calm down as he was losing it by Walmsley-
And you are not sure that Players/officials?fans not in meltdowm -OK
Only person to come out with any credit was Wellens.(just about )

To be fair I had forgotten about Hurrell kicking bottles so yes him and Percival were in meltdown. Still only 2 in total though

Can you honestly say you've never seen another player react to his mate being tackled like Welsby did? Happens all the time.

I've no excuses for those fans, they let the club down big time

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 am  

Mr nice guy Hurrell, direct shoulder to the head. Then argues and spends at age getting off the pitch, then boots some bottles towards a member of staff on the bench.

Embarrassing.

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:16 am  

Stu M wrote:

To be fair I had forgotten about Hurrell kicking bottles so yes him and Percival were in meltdown. Still only 2 in total though

Can you honestly say you've never seen another player react to his mate being tackled like Welsby did? Happens all the time.

I've no excuses for those fans, they let the club down big time

So now it is-
Hurrell
Percy
Fans
Ok I get it now apart from these instances it was good.
But to be truthful not many react like Welsby,but yes some do.

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:23 am  

NSW wrote:

Mr nice guy Hurrell, direct shoulder to the head. Then argues and spends at age getting off the pitch, then boots some bottles towards a member of staff on the bench.

Embarrassing.

Agreed. It was

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:25 am  

Jason65 wrote:

So now it is-
Hurrell
Percy
Fans
Ok I get it now apart from these instances it was good.
But to be truthful not many react like Welsby,but yes some do.

My point was that "players and officials" was a bit over-exaggerated. No officials went into meltdown and players as a plural term was in actual fact 2, one of which simply shown anger at the result and a bit of shouting

I've not tried to defend those fans at all.

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:05 am  

Stu M wrote:

To be fair I had forgotten about Hurrell kicking bottles so yes him and Percival were in meltdown. Still only 2 in total though

Can you honestly say you've never seen another player react to his mate being tackled like Welsby did? Happens all the time.

I've no excuses for those fans, they let the club down big time

I’ve seen isolated incidents but I’ve seen it a few times with Welsby himself. He isn’t the referee and games should not be stopped because Welsby decides something is a penalty. I could understand it more if he played in a team that was as clean as a whistle but he doesn’t.

Re: O/T Saints v Leeds : Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:52 am  

Stu M wrote:

My point was that "players and officials" was a bit over-exaggerated. No officials went into meltdown and players as a plural term was in actual fact 2, one of which simply shown anger at the result and a bit of shouting

I've not tried to defend those fans at all.

Agree about the officials.
2 players=meltdown
Fans=meltdown
Welsby= churlish at least
Is that fair to say.

If it carries on like this it will be Wigans fault