Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:08 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Is this move going to offer greater protection to players though? Making defenders go lower increases the chances of catching hips and knees. I honestly think it could increase problems.

All the sit down protocols, extended pre season breaks, concussion subs etc are things we can all get behind but this tackling heigh law? I just can’t go with it and can’t see that it helps.

My worry is that after these changes are enacted and the number of head injuries do not come down what comes next? Very worrying times. I was chatting to a guy about this a few weeks ago and I predicted that the game as we know it will be gone within the next 15 years.
I’m with you in that more injuries could occur due to lower tackling.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:23 pm  

It’s vital that any penalty takes into account the actions of the attacking player too.

We cannot look at the defender in isolation.

I watched a couple of games in the Union World Cup where a ball carrier literally head butted a defenders shoulder and the defender was sent from the field.

All the responsibility for the ball carriers safety seems to be on the defender but I think it is vital that a ball carrier is also responsible for their own safety too.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:27 pm  

jonh wrote:

It’s vital that any penalty takes into account the actions of the attacking player too.

We cannot look at the defender in isolation.

I watched a couple of games in the Union World Cup where a ball carrier literally head butted a defenders shoulder and the defender was sent from the field.

All the responsibility for the ball carriers safety seems to be on the defender but I think it is vital that a ball carrier is also responsible for their own safety too.

I can think of a couple of players straight away who’ll be perfecting their penalty milking techniques.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:40 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

My worry is that after these changes are enacted and the number of head injuries do not come down what comes next? Very worrying times. I was chatting to a guy about this a few weeks ago and I predicted that the game as we know it will be gone within the next 15 years.
I’m with you in that more injuries could occur due to lower tackling.

If all of this goes through unchallenged, we won't last even 15 years as a professional sport.

The game is already riddled with penalties incurred by accidental (and even soft) contact with the head. Imagine how it will look when penalties are awarded for the same with the shoulder.

It's just not possible to play rugby league under those circumstances.

This whole business is sheer nonsense devised by a bunch of people who have no empathy with the game at all and are jumping on a health concerns bandwagon just to make themselves relevant (and rich).

And it will be at the expense of our game.

The RFL are too thick, too gullible and too chicken###t to push back.

I honestly believe the only future we have now is if SL breaks away.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:43 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

They're not exactly the brains of Britain. The problem is that a whole bunch of shifty lawyers are now smelling blood, and I have no confidence in the RFL fighting back against it hard enough.

Make no mistake. The future of the game as we know it is hanging in the balance here.

Spot on,the ambulance chasers will be out in force and worryingly,the no1 ambulance chaser in Hull is Hudgell at Rovers..will he be a architect in bringing the game down.God knows what will happen when it comes in as the refs are useless now and so far up themselves that it will be more cards than a good night in a casino.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:48 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

If all of this goes through unchallenged, we won't last even 15 years as a professional sport.

The game is already riddled with penalties incurred by accidental (and even soft) contact with the head. Imagine how it will look when penalties are awarded for the same with the shoulder.

It's just not possible to play rugby league under those circumstances.

This whole business is sheer nonsense devised by a bunch of people who have no empathy with the game at all and are jumping on a health concerns bandwagon just to make themselves relevant (and rich).

And it will be at the expense of our game.

The RFL are too thick, too gullible and too chicken###t to push back.

I honestly believe the only future we have now is if SL breaks away.

I believe that there is already a lot kickback from the community side of the game but unfortunately this will have zero impact. Young kids play the sport because of the physicality of the game. As I said previously these changes may just be the thin end of the wedge and further changes will dilute the game to tick and pass if we are not careful. Nothing wrong with tick and pass but it isn’t a long term spectator sport.

Not sure that if SL did break away they would rescind the below the armpit tackling.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:19 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I believe that there is already a lot kickback from the community side of the game but unfortunately this will have zero impact. Young kids play the sport because of the physicality of the game. As I said previously these changes may just be the thin end of the wedge and further changes will dilute the game to tick and pass if we are not careful. Nothing wrong with tick and pass but it isn’t a long term spectator sport.

Not sure that if SL did break away they would rescind the below the armpit tackling.

Well, it certainly won't happen if they all get on board with this garbage.

But I consider myself a lifelong Wigan supporter. Have been following them since the late 1960s, and was there for all the home games even during their period in the 2nd Division, but hand on heart, I can honestly say that I've got doubts about whether I can stick this one out.

For the first time in my life, I'm contemplating a future without rugby league, and I while I can't speak for anyone else, I strongly suspect that I won't be alone.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:41 pm  

I'm too young to remember the reaction to the introduction of limited tackles, the 10 metre rule, or summer rugby, but I imagine there were a lot of people decrying the end of rugby league as we know it, it'll never work, nobody wants to see it and so on. Those same people probably found something new to moan about after a few months or years and carried on watching the game like they always had

Out of curiosity I've just pulled up a game from 1993 on Wigan TV. There are a lot more tackles below the armpit in that game than we see today, and the ruck speed it ten times quicker. If this rule change takes the game in that direction then bring it on

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:57 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

Well, it certainly won't happen if they all get on board with this garbage.

But I consider myself a lifelong Wigan supporter. Have been following them since the late 1960s, and was there for all the home games even during their period in the 2nd Division, but hand on heart, I can honestly say that I've got doubts about whether I can stick this one out.

For the first time in my life, I'm contemplating a future without rugby league, and I while I can't speak for anyone else, I strongly suspect that I won't be alone.

Sounds like we are of a similar age Cruncher. My first home game was in 1967 when all of our great players like Boston, McTigue, Ashton etc unfortunately were past their best.
At this point, because of the timing, my main concern with the changes is at the junior level. Kids need to get aggression out of their system and if we are not careful RL will become a non contact sport. I don’t think that I’m over reacting but I’m genuinely concerned that in the near future RL will become obsolete as we know it. I’d like to see the evidence that shows the vast majority of head injuries are due to head high receipt of tackles over and above actually making tackles.

Personally I can’t do without my RL and I will continue to watch the game with the changes and during 2024 I will make the effort to watch even more junior and amateur matches. My worry is that the changes for 2024/25 will be superseded by even more tougher changes. Hope I’m wrong.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:18 pm  

--[ WW ]-- wrote:

I'm too young to remember the reaction to the introduction of limited tackles, the 10 metre rule, or summer rugby, but I imagine there were a lot of people decrying the end of rugby league as we know it, it'll never work, nobody wants to see it and so on. Those same people probably found something new to moan about after a few months or years and carried on watching the game like they always had

Out of curiosity I've just pulled up a game from 1993 on Wigan TV. There are a lot more tackles below the armpit in that game than we see today, and the ruck speed it ten times quicker. If this rule change takes the game in that direction then bring it on

I’ve no problem whatsoever with evolution of the game. The introduction of limited tackles probably saved the professional game but in typical RL fashion we went from unlimited tackles to 4. It’s a while ago but I can’t remember much opposition to summer rugby particularly in the professional game. 10 metres or 5 metres I’ve no particular preference as long as the rules are adhered to and I don’t think many people would vehemently disagree with that. The difference now is that changes could creep into the into the game that ultimately will irrecoverably change the physicality part of the game.

I’m all for a quicker play the ball but you’ve got to blame coaches, players and referees for the current at times shambolic play the ball situation. Maybe we limit 2 tacklers ie no 3rd man or refs just shout held a lot earlier. Essentially mere technicalities.