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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:28 pm  
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....and yet we're still in the same position in the league with the same chance of winning silverware every season with the same level of competitiveness against the teams there are around us now as then.

Thanks for proving my point for me ;)


I was agreeing lol
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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:27 am  
calm down dear.

humour me a minute, but at any point in your life when you were growing up, did your dad/anyone else feed you a 'they're not as good as they used to be' line, to describe anything from food to beer to music to sports players to politicians to cars to films etc etc? this seems to be exactly what you're doing.

There, you humoured me, now I'll humour you. The Wigan team of ten years ago was far from a great team. In fact, the Wigan team of 15 years ago was also far from a great team (yes they won a SL) but I'd be thinking more than twice before naming the likes of florimo, moore, reber, cassidy (as a hooker), goldspink, tony smith, holgate, mark smith, jon clarke ahead of any of our starting team now. we've had great individuals such as faz, rads, connolly, paul, newton, renouf, robinson, dallas etc but as a team I think this one is more rounded. thats just my opinion.

Now if you'd like to go back 20 years (not sure if saints fans go back that far???? ya know, before sl...) then yeah we are entering the territory of that wigan team and that national team (mostly wigans team) were the business. However, the 20 years since (when according to your theory it was never as good) never stopped you lot from crowing about how super the wooper dooper saints team were, and bragging about back to back this that and the other? And when we turned sides out at your place to get a good stuffing we didnt turn round and say, well actually, all of rl is crap...we went home, had a beer, kicked the dog and got on with it.

The problem with your theory is that there's always someone older who will take you even further back to a time when, shock horror, we beat the aussies. They will scoff at names like hanley, edwards, gregory x2 etc and say its a sign of the times when we have to have an organiser (edwards) as a gb half back when we used to have the real deal (murphy) or we are stuck with a quick man who cant tackle on the wing (offiah) when we had the blockbuster himself (boston)

the point is using individual player comparisons to back up your theory doesnt work. matty smith isnt as good as trent barrett (i wish) but this wigan team would stick some serious points on that millward side.


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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:34 am  
thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?
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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:40 am  
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thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?


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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:22 pm  
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thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?



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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:28 pm  
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thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?


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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:57 pm  
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thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?


That must be another one of his/her 'incontrovertible facts'.
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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:08 pm  
I thought there was no Rugby League before 1996 ?
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Badwanger wrote:
IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.


nickmanator wrote:
billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind


robbierotten wrote:
Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.


Deano G wrote:
Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?

Badwanger wrote:
Wellens

Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:38 pm  
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Carmont would have graced any RL team ever etc.


I know from my foray a few weeks ago on the Saints board that you lot have very little respect for George. You're actually much nearer the truth with that comment (minus the sarcasm) than with the rubbish spouted by Saints fans about one of the great SL era centres.

The facts: despite missing a few games this season Carmont has still scored more tries than any Saints players and sits at no. 7 in the try scoring table. He's averaging a try a game. Not bad for a guy that's probably going to retire at the end of the season and who, according to you deluded scousers, was never very good anyway. :roll: :roll:

He's now running into top class form (watch the highlights of the Wakey game and weep!) just as we approach the business end of the season. It looks like the Indian summer of Carmont's career has a fair bit of life left in it still. Great news for us. Terrible news for the rest of SL.

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Badwanger wrote:
IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.


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billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind


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Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.


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Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?

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Re: Matty smith joins Wigan - Official : Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:46 pm  
pk wrote:
thinking about northampton saints post again, if we accept his/her post that rugby league has been steadily getting worse in the last 20 years would it be fair to say that saints have only ever really been a great side when rl was rubbish?


2006 was not a vintage year..... The 2006 Saints side was a great side and to be fair to them any team can only beat what's in front of them, it wasn't their fault, but the standard of SL was truly awful that season and it's difficult to judge just how great a team that was given the lack of competition.

I don't think everything in the garden is rosy, but it's madness to say the quality of SL now is lower than the mid-noughties.
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