[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:32 pm  

Lance Todd Trophy voting
Chris McQueen, 14
Ricky Leutele, 9
Oliver Russell, 6
Tui Lolohea, 5
Jermaine McGillvary, 2
Harry Smith, 2
Daniel Levi, 1

Votes have to be cast by the 75th minute but even so........................

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:36 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Oh they executed a very simple game plan, very well. Does that make them the better side tho?

Two crash over tries (well executed they may be) Vs us scoring two fantastic ones, or their lack of line breaks Vs 4/5 for us (in one half alone).

I think Cruncher pointed out that our match winning play had been tried a couple of times before. When it doesn't come off, then it's an error, but when it does come off - it's a match winning play etc. Fine lines and all depends on which way you wanna look at it.

Ultimately, one team went for it and tried to work the ball - yeah they coughed up possession off the back of it, but that's what won us the game in the end.

I still think it makes them the better side but were they hugely impressive? I felt not and was saying that to our group walking back to the coaches. You can’t play not to lose and they did that late on. I can’t really blame them being conservative throughout the game, as they probably just thought they could wait for our next implosion in our twenty. I think the long and short of it is that had we turned up and played to our best and Huddersfield play as they did, we’d have won pretty comfortably but it wasn’t to be. Our errors and our execution of those plays you mention were way off but we still get the win. I’m confident that it actually bodes pretty well for us going forward.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:41 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Lance Todd Trophy voting
Chris McQueen, 14
Ricky Leutele, 9
Oliver Russell, 6
Tui Lolohea, 5
Jermaine McGillvary, 2
Harry Smith, 2
Daniel Levi, 1

Votes have to be cast by the 75th minute but even so........................

Reading some of the journos on Twitter over the weekend, such as Aaron Bower and John Davidson, it’s little surprise the vote went like that. A great occasion and as per, the journalists in this country are pure doom and gloom and focus on how Smithies not getting binned costs Huddersfield the game. Neutral these guys are not! Positive about anything involving rugby league? Never. You wouldn’t think they earned their livings from the game, considering how often they stick the knife in.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:42 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I still think it makes them the better side but were they hugely impressive? I felt not and was saying that to our group walking back to the coaches. You can’t play not to lose and they did that late on. I can’t really blame them being conservative throughout the game, as they probably just thought they could wait for our next implosion in our twenty. I think the long and short of it is that had we turned up and played to our best and Huddersfield play as they did, we’d have won pretty comfortably but it wasn’t to be. Our errors and our execution of those plays you mention were way off but we still get the win. I’m confident that it actually bodes pretty well for us going forward.

I can get onboard with that.

Kinda highlights the difficulties when fans say they "want to be entertained" too. I know I'm playing both sides of the argument here, but previously I've been happy to watch us do what Hudds did (just better) i.e low risk, conservative rugby. I do think that, if you play that style, you need to score more points. Under Madge, we'd do something similar but score plenty of points too.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:44 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Reading some of the journos on Twitter over the weekend, such as Aaron Bower and John Davidson, it’s little surprise the vote went like that. A great occasion and as per, the journalists in this country are pure doom and gloom and focus on how Smithies not getting binned costs Huddersfield the game. Neutral these guys are not! Positive about anything involving rugby league? Never. You wouldn’t think they earned their livings from the game, considering how often they stick the knife in.

Bower works extremely hard to keep his dislike of Wigan from surfacing, but sometimes he can't help himself.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:48 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I can get onboard with that.

Kinda highlights the difficulties when fans say they "want to be entertained" too. I know I'm playing both sides of the argument here, but previously I've been happy to watch us do what Hudds did (just better) i.e low risk, conservative rugby. I do think that, if you play that style, you need to score more points. Under Madge, we'd do something similar but score plenty of points too.

The daft part of Saturday were the errors in our twenty weren’t about chancing our arm and coming unstuck. They were just concentration lapses. The Cust kick in our 30 metres just before half time was a brain fade. We’re all wanting to see us play attacking rugby but that just wasn’t the time or place. That’s what excites me really, we fix up those silly errors and pick out moments better and we’ll be in any game due to the attacking talent we have and the pace we posses. It was a 5 or 6 on 10 performance I thought and we still got the win.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:52 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Lance Todd Trophy voting
Chris McQueen, 14
Ricky Leutele, 9
Oliver Russell, 6
Tui Lolohea, 5
Jermaine McGillvary, 2
Harry Smith, 2
Daniel Levi, 1

Votes have to be cast by the 75th minute but even so........................

I know it happens every week but picking a man of the match before the match is over is very strange.

The match is 80 minutes.

3 class involvements in 3 tries deserved more than a couple of votes.

RL media mustn’t like us, Ratchford got in in 2018 GF.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:56 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Bower works extremely hard to keep his dislike of Wigan from surfacing, but sometimes he can't help himself.

He does indeed. John Davidson doesn’t hide it at all and then a guy like Richard Shaw-Wright makes you want to give up on life, let alone Rugby League. I don’t mind Phil Caplin tbh. He’s open and honest about loving Leeds but he tries to be balanced and tries to focus on the positives. I don’t know why some of them don’t go and get another job. A good mate of mine was in the same game until about 12-18 months ago and he’d maybe been ground down by the negatives and you wouldn’t get much positive out of him. Fair play to him, he walked away and got a new job. Banging the drum for everything negative about rugby league must be tiresome sometimes for these guys.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 4:59 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

He does indeed. John Davidson doesn’t hide it at all and then a guy like Richard Shaw-Wright makes you want to give up on life, let alone Rugby League. I don’t mind Phil Caplin tbh. He’s open and honest about loving Leeds but he tries to be balanced and tries to focus on the positives. I don’t know why some of them don’t go and get another job. A good mate of mine was in the same game until about 12-18 months ago and he’d maybe been ground down by the negatives and you wouldn’t get much positive out of him. Fair play to him, he walked away and got a new job. Banging the drum for everything negative about rugby league must be tiresome sometimes for these guys.

Phil is so bitter about Wigan’s dominance in the 80/90s not one week goes past where he doesn’t mention us having to sell Central Park to fund it all.

Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 5:15 pm  

NSW wrote:

Phil is so bitter about Wigan’s dominance in the 80/90s not one week goes past where he doesn’t mention us having to sell Central Park to fund it all.

He can have that one I guess We did smash them and stop them winning anything for years. I find him generally positive about the game as a whole though, whereas some other actively seem to dislike it.