Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:55 am  

Well Luciano's stock has certainly risen, and I don't disagree that he has no reason to come to SL. not sure I'd go as far as one of the world's best, but sure, Joey could be good if available. It was just an observation.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:19 am  

moto748 wrote:

Well Luciano's stock has certainly risen, and I don't disagree that he has no reason to come to SL. not sure I'd go as far as one of the world's best, but sure, Joey could be good if available. It was just an observation.

I’d take Luciano over all our secondrow players at the moment.

Faz, Bateman and Isa are all fairly similar.

We need to change things up. We need a strike running 11 or 12. We don’t have one.

KPP comes in and all of a sudden is a revelation. Why?…because he is different.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:02 am  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

If we re-signed Tommy then we would need to remove one of French, Field, Isa or Clark from our overseas quota to make way for the signings of Miski, Mago and Ellis. We are allowed seven overseas players and we currently have six on our books, obviously Hastings is leaving and therefore another needs to make way.

I think the rumours (wish list) linking us with the likes of Miller, Taylor, Flannagan, Leilua etc. are wide of the mark unless Clark is being released.

Does Clark count as he was actually born in Pontefract?

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:13 am  

WWste wrote:

Does Clark count as he was actually born in Pontefract?

TL also counts as federation trained if that’s still a thing?

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:27 am  

jonh wrote:

The problem is, and it’s one I find very odd to be honest, players have a cap value a bit like fantasy football.

So for example if you pay a player £100k but the RFL value him at £150k when £150k goes against your cap.

If we were to re sign Tommy on a reduced contract as a fill in back up half when injured but front line coach he would still more than likely register a sizeable chunk of the cap regardless of what we actually paid him.

i've just done a quick search, and i cant see anything about a fantasy type value. just quickly copied and pasted the RFL page on it

To be honest in the summary and also the RFL operational rules (1 paragraph on salary cap), there seems very little in there to make is so complicated? the operational rules, give nothing away in terms of salary cap rules

Rationale

The core objectives of the Salary Cap are:

To ensure that the competitions remains competitive and therefore attractive to spectators and commercial partners by preventing Clubs with greater financial resources dominating the competition and by ensuring a balanced spread of players among clubs;
To prevent Clubs trading beyond their means and/or entering into damaging and unsustainable financial arrangements; and
To protect the welfare and interests of all Players.

Rules


The amount each Club can spend on its first team players is (subject to certain exemptions and dispensations) limited to the lower of:

The finite Salary Cap limit of £2.1m; and
The amount that it is deemed that a Club can afford to spend pursuant to the Financial Sustainability Regulations.

The Super League Salary Cap is measured in ‘real time’: this means that each Club’s spend (or deemed spend) must remain below the Salary Cap at all times. The Championship and League 1 Salary Caps are measured retrospectively where appropriate: this means that each Club must demonstrate at the end of each Season that its actual spend over the course of the Season was below the Salary Cap.

Dispensations

The key dispensations are:

Marquee Player – Each Super League and Championship Club is permitted to have two Marquee Players whose Salary Cap value is limited to £150,000 (or £75,000 if Club Trained);
Club Trained Dispensation – Each Super League club is given up to £100,000 of dispensation for producing Super League standard players;
Player Welfare Dispensation – Each Super League Club that achieves the player welfare target is given a £15,000 dispensation;
New Talent Pool Dispensation – Any Player who has not previously played Rugby League is given a value of £0 in the first year of his contract and at 50% of his true value in the second year;
Returning Talent Pool Dispensation – Any Player who has not previously played rugby league in the 5 years prior to signing is given a value of 50% of his true value in the first year of his contract and 75% of his true value in the second year;
International Bonuses – Bonuses paid for international representation are excluded up to specified maximums;
Educational fees paid directly by Clubs are excluded; and
Prize money – Payments made out of prize money are excluded.

i've deliberately bolded one point from the rationale. How does keeping the salary cap at the same value for the best part of 20 years help to protect the welfare and interests of all players (other than by saying it makes the clubs / game sustainable)- by pretty much preventing any pay rises as such. i dont know any other industry which could have gotten away with that for so long

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:30 am  

I think the salary cap value thing is to stop a player being paid 50k one year and 250k the next to fit them in under the cap. A club could still pay a player that way but their cap value would be 150k each year.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:46 am  

Trainman wrote:

I think the salary cap value thing is to stop a player being paid 50k one year and 250k the next to fit them in under the cap. A club could still pay a player that way but their cap value would be 150k each year.

That would make sense to be fair.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:48 am  

Pieman wrote:

if thats how the club are willing to manage the cap then we may aswell pack up now....

That's exactly how it should be though. You don't pay overs for someone, that's not what big clubs do. It's what smaller, or struggling clubs do thinking they'll get a bit of success off the back of it. It never happens like that and you end up with a lopsided cap that's focused around a small number of players.

Look at the Storm, or even the Roosters, they never pay overs. They actually probably pay below market value, as players know they'll have a shot at success and improve as players there.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:43 am  

moto748 wrote:

At one time I would never have said this, but actually, I'd rather have his brother.

Definitely Joey is too hit and miss a bit like Konrad Hurrell

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:47 am  

WWste wrote:

Does Clark count as he was actually born in Pontefract?

Does Miski count as he's Lebanese and from a developing nation