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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:09 am  
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:12 am  
There are a significant number of lads that were about to break through in the next year or so at good clubs who will be heading to Australia this year. Academy international Daniel Smith of Leeds who was expected to get first team this year after some excellent performances in the juniors last year is the latest to sign for an NRL feeder team for next season.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:26 am  
Never mind Hock and Wigan’s woes, there are other parts of SL starting to show the strain and if it’s true that nothing fundamentally can change for three years, then I for one think that the game is not looking in good shape. Finance, salary cap, games structure all these things and more need sorting now, and it seems all the RFL can do is hand out the fiddles amongst themselves while Rome catches fire. As for Hock my opinion is if he really wants to go, let him and deal with it. I can see much bigger problems than him ahead.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:08 am  
On the flip side, With all our top guns going over there, Maybe that gives the young Aussie lads being pushed out by them to come over here. It will probably turn into a case of the Super League giving their youngsters the match experience and then when they get good enough they will be off over there again, and round and round we go.


The salary cap needs to rise or it is game over.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:09 am  
Interestingly, Parramatta are now being heavily linked with Israel Falou's NRL return. surely he'd want mega money, could this scupper any Hock deal or do they have a lot of cap space?
I know Hindmarsh has retired and they lost Inu mid season to the dogs
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:40 am  
Folau is pretty much nailed on for Parra according to this: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 28mk6.html

Will it stop Hock going? Id say you have a better chance now than about a week ago. Get the feeling that Lenegan's phone might have stopped ringing.
Folau is pretty much nailed on for Parra according to this: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 28mk6.html

Will it stop Hock going? Id say you have a better chance now than about a week ago. Get the feeling that Lenegan's phone might have stopped ringing.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:04 pm  
cherryandwhitedavid06 wrote:
Interestingly, Parramatta are now being heavily linked with Israel Falou's NRL return. surely he'd want mega money, could this scupper any Hock deal or do they have a lot of cap space?
I know Hindmarsh has retired and they lost Inu mid season to the dogs


Inu was at NZ Warriors when he went canterbury.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:12 pm  
I'd hate to see Hock leave as a Wigan fan but as an RL fan id love to se him go over and tear the NRL up like Morley did.

As for the future of RL in the UK I think were heading in the right direction personally. Leneghan has always said hed like a squad of home grown players to represent the club. The idea of that for me is as exciting as watching the likes of Finch and Lima and Hoffman who blatantly come over for the £ and do one as soon as the $ is more attractive.

There will always be a couple of exceptional foreigners in the side, i dont think the club or league needs any more than that.
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:30 pm  
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<snip> As for the future of RL in the UK I think were heading in the right direction personally. Leneghan has always said hed like a squad of home grown players to represent the club. <snip>

How do you come by that? Hock, Sam & Joel, HH have all come up through the ranks, and now already have / look like going to pastures new. No point in priding ourselves in developing talent if the club is then willing to let it slip through our fingers with a loss to Wigan and to the UK RL scene as a whole.

The solution for me is to make the salaries for any 'home grown' talent to be exempt from the salary cap of the parent club. We can then pay them what they're worth (or what can be afforded), making it more difficult to be tempted away by the dollar.

Moving on, perhaps any transfer movement within the SL clubs, this exemption could be adjusted on a sliding scale basis.? say, 80% of salary exempt for the 1st year after transfer, 75% after 2nd year, 70% after 3rd year etc. That would not only encourage youth development (especially at those clubs with a less than active development programme) and keeping talent within the SL, but also help promote a strong national side also.

My 2 cents worth :)
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Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:43 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
Any happy clappers want to post telling us how things are all rosy at Wigan and the massive outflow of players will not be a loss to us?

Sadly it's entirely reasonable and predictable that Hock will go. The more I think about it the more I believe that the destiny of RL in this country is to become a semi-professional game. The standard of the players will be poor, the standard of the games will be poor, Sky will eventually lose interest and then it really will be game over.

We were kind of protected in the past through the self-imposed "Amateur" status of RU. The RL game in Aus/NZ was also less developed than it is now (plus the less mobile nature of the player base would have made playing in Aus a very rare option).

Now RU have woken up and smelled the coffee, and the game in Aus/NZ have got themselves organised, relatively cheap travel Down Under, players moving/living/playing there a far far less unusual occurance......


Add to this the position of chairmen who think the CC is good for the game (good for their wallets maybe, but the game?) and the future is almost certainly "not Orange" as the saying goes.....


...and don't forget the inexorable, unstoppable rise of football either... How many top teenage RL talents are there currently in Liverpool/Manu Utd/Latic's academy setups lost to our game forever that 15 years ago would have been in Saints'/Wigan's/Wire's U19s teams instead? How many kids walk around in St. Helens or Wigan dreaming of playing Premiership football instead of RL that would never have done so even a generation ago?

It's a bitter pill for us all to have to swallow but RL is in the process of being squeezed to death by financial forces that are way out of it's wildest dreams to ever be able to compete with. Increasing the salary cap will not be the answer - all that will do is kill off the limited competitiveness there is in SL already, limiting the global appeal of the sport still further, and send even more clubs to the wall. It could do nothing but slightly delay the departures of a few players from our game, no more. Salary cap or not Wigan could never afford to pay Sam as much as a top RU or NRL club could afford to if they wanted to for instance. We have to accept that British RL is going to likely end up a semi-professional glorified pub league...
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