FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Hock
Conroy 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner12006No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 07 200321 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
19th Mar 19 10:3513th Oct 14 15:36LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
WIGAN RLFC

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:09 am  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
Scott Moore


Shaun Ainscough
jonh 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner20241No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 27 200321 years47th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th Jul 24 12:043rd Jul 24 12:09LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
educating League Freak on all things rugby league
Signature
Unofficially the most boring poster on Cherry and White.

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:12 am  
There are a significant number of lads that were about to break through in the next year or so at good clubs who will be heading to Australia this year. Academy international Daniel Smith of Leeds who was expected to get first team this year after some excellent performances in the juniors last year is the latest to sign for an NRL feeder team for next season.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star993
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 27 201113 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Apr 24 14:239th Sep 17 09:00LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Sat wi pig on't wall
Signature
Have you noticed, you can never find a radical priest when you need one.

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:26 am  
Never mind Hock and Wigan’s woes, there are other parts of SL starting to show the strain and if it’s true that nothing fundamentally can change for three years, then I for one think that the game is not looking in good shape. Finance, salary cap, games structure all these things and more need sorting now, and it seems all the RFL can do is hand out the fiddles amongst themselves while Rome catches fire. As for Hock my opinion is if he really wants to go, let him and deal with it. I can see much bigger problems than him ahead.
:( :FRUSRATED:
RankPostsTeam
International Star879No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 08 201113 years253rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th Jul 24 05:414th Jul 24 05:41LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:08 am  
On the flip side, With all our top guns going over there, Maybe that gives the young Aussie lads being pushed out by them to come over here. It will probably turn into a case of the Super League giving their youngsters the match experience and then when they get good enough they will be off over there again, and round and round we go.


The salary cap needs to rise or it is game over.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach1529No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 31 200618 years314th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jan 24 21:3821st Jan 24 21:00LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Wigan
Signature
"Games as big as a grand finals define individuals and clubs. Remember we are only renting these shirts, I had my time in Pat Richards shirt. Ellery and Faz had there time in Sean's, Hampo and Radders in Sam's. You have to make a mark in these shirts that's still there the day you hand it over to someone else. So be aware for 80 minutes you are not only playing but also writing history and creating a legacy. How many people get to actually write history, not many. A big stage demands big players, be inspired. You play for Wigan, now go do it. Good luck." - Martin Offiah, 2010.

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:09 am  
Interestingly, Parramatta are now being heavily linked with Israel Falou's NRL return. surely he'd want mega money, could this scupper any Hock deal or do they have a lot of cap space?
I know Hindmarsh has retired and they lost Inu mid season to the dogs
Ande 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach8799No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Aug 15 17:211st Aug 15 17:21LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Exiled

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:40 am  
Folau is pretty much nailed on for Parra according to this: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 28mk6.html

Will it stop Hock going? Id say you have a better chance now than about a week ago. Get the feeling that Lenegan's phone might have stopped ringing.
Folau is pretty much nailed on for Parra according to this: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 28mk6.html

Will it stop Hock going? Id say you have a better chance now than about a week ago. Get the feeling that Lenegan's phone might have stopped ringing.
JC1984 
RankPostsTeam
International Star8No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 18 201212 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Nov 12 01:286th Nov 12 21:17LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:04 pm  
cherryandwhitedavid06 wrote:
Interestingly, Parramatta are now being heavily linked with Israel Falou's NRL return. surely he'd want mega money, could this scupper any Hock deal or do they have a lot of cap space?
I know Hindmarsh has retired and they lost Inu mid season to the dogs


Inu was at NZ Warriors when he went canterbury.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach351No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 17 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
1st Nov 12 14:441st Nov 12 12:12LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:12 pm  
I'd hate to see Hock leave as a Wigan fan but as an RL fan id love to se him go over and tear the NRL up like Morley did.

As for the future of RL in the UK I think were heading in the right direction personally. Leneghan has always said hed like a squad of home grown players to represent the club. The idea of that for me is as exciting as watching the likes of Finch and Lima and Hoffman who blatantly come over for the £ and do one as soon as the $ is more attractive.

There will always be a couple of exceptional foreigners in the side, i dont think the club or league needs any more than that.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star321
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 31 201212 years317th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
3rd Jul 24 14:0030th Jun 24 09:43LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
"Just leave it to me"

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:30 pm  
B.B.F.L. wrote:
<snip> As for the future of RL in the UK I think were heading in the right direction personally. Leneghan has always said hed like a squad of home grown players to represent the club. <snip>

How do you come by that? Hock, Sam & Joel, HH have all come up through the ranks, and now already have / look like going to pastures new. No point in priding ourselves in developing talent if the club is then willing to let it slip through our fingers with a loss to Wigan and to the UK RL scene as a whole.

The solution for me is to make the salaries for any 'home grown' talent to be exempt from the salary cap of the parent club. We can then pay them what they're worth (or what can be afforded), making it more difficult to be tempted away by the dollar.

Moving on, perhaps any transfer movement within the SL clubs, this exemption could be adjusted on a sliding scale basis.? say, 80% of salary exempt for the 1st year after transfer, 75% after 2nd year, 70% after 3rd year etc. That would not only encourage youth development (especially at those clubs with a less than active development programme) and keeping talent within the SL, but also help promote a strong national side also.

My 2 cents worth :)
Last edited by tedglen on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1343No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 26 201014 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
14th Oct 14 19:2514th Oct 14 19:24LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Hock : Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:43 pm  
XBrettKennyX wrote:
Any happy clappers want to post telling us how things are all rosy at Wigan and the massive outflow of players will not be a loss to us?

Sadly it's entirely reasonable and predictable that Hock will go. The more I think about it the more I believe that the destiny of RL in this country is to become a semi-professional game. The standard of the players will be poor, the standard of the games will be poor, Sky will eventually lose interest and then it really will be game over.

We were kind of protected in the past through the self-imposed "Amateur" status of RU. The RL game in Aus/NZ was also less developed than it is now (plus the less mobile nature of the player base would have made playing in Aus a very rare option).

Now RU have woken up and smelled the coffee, and the game in Aus/NZ have got themselves organised, relatively cheap travel Down Under, players moving/living/playing there a far far less unusual occurance......


Add to this the position of chairmen who think the CC is good for the game (good for their wallets maybe, but the game?) and the future is almost certainly "not Orange" as the saying goes.....


...and don't forget the inexorable, unstoppable rise of football either... How many top teenage RL talents are there currently in Liverpool/Manu Utd/Latic's academy setups lost to our game forever that 15 years ago would have been in Saints'/Wigan's/Wire's U19s teams instead? How many kids walk around in St. Helens or Wigan dreaming of playing Premiership football instead of RL that would never have done so even a generation ago?

It's a bitter pill for us all to have to swallow but RL is in the process of being squeezed to death by financial forces that are way out of it's wildest dreams to ever be able to compete with. Increasing the salary cap will not be the answer - all that will do is kill off the limited competitiveness there is in SL already, limiting the global appeal of the sport still further, and send even more clubs to the wall. It could do nothing but slightly delay the departures of a few players from our game, no more. Salary cap or not Wigan could never afford to pay Sam as much as a top RU or NRL club could afford to if they wanted to for instance. We have to accept that British RL is going to likely end up a semi-professional glorified pub league...
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bazdev and 1077 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Wigan Warriors


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Leeds
Torbreck
4
17m
Squad 2024
Listenup94
561
19m
Rumours thread
Kettykat
1637
28m
Meadows
BigTime
3
33m
Batley next
Kettykat
2
35m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 16
yorkshiredra
23
37m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Home
Builth Wells
17
37m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Whino4life
9269
39m
Murphy on his way then
PopTart
108
42m
Reserves v London
PopTart
21
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
38s
Leeds
Torbreck
4
40s
Round 16 London Home
tad rhino
3
44s
Leigh h
Zig
22
47s
Murphy on his way then
PopTart
108
47s
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
59s
Injuries and available cover
WIZEB
7
1m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 16
yorkshiredra
23
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hasbag
2352
1m
IMG scores
Trojan Horse
26
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
1855
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Batley next
Kettykat
2
TODAY
Round 16 London Home
chapylad
5
TODAY
Leeds
Torbreck
4
TODAY
Injuries and available cover
WIZEB
7
TODAY
Problems with this Site continued
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
3 clubs apply to join League 1
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Sadly one less Bronco
nkpom
2
TODAY
Fan Village
[Gareth]
4
TODAY
The Seagulls v The Panthers
Hudd-Shay
9
TODAY
Las Vegas 2025 English ladies involved
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
TODAY
Batley Bulldogs H
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Best Wigan Tour Team
Cruncher
8
TODAY
Josh Bowden
Dr Dreadnoug
1
TODAY
Squad for Giants
Smiffy27
5
TODAY
Leigh h
Zig
22
TODAY
Meadows
BigTime
3
TODAY
July games
financialtim
2
TODAY
Salford - Away
bonaire
11
TODAY
Dons v Toulouse - Saturday 10 August 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Toulouse A
Benji13
12
TODAY
IMG scores
Trojan Horse
26
TODAY
Nathan Mason
MicktheGled
8
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Home
Builth Wells
17
TODAY
Half Time Report
Trojan Horse
24
TODAY
Dewsbury v Dons Sunday 7/7/24 3pm
Kick and cha
8
TODAY
Our next 2 meetings
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Lee Briers
Fantastic Mr
16
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
1107
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
976
Big Win for England Women Over..
712
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
954
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1046
Super League form rewarded as ..
1400
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
1285
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
1392
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1183
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
1411
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
1652
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
1676
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
1757
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
1418
Super Salford First Half Slays..
1879
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Fri 5th Jul
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Castleford
SL
20:00
Warrington-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Sat 6th Jul
SL
17:30
Hull KR-Catalans
SL
15:00
Leeds-LondonB
Sun 7th Jul
SL
15:00
Salford-Hull FC
Fri 12th Jul
SL
20:00
LondonB-Castleford
SL
20:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
20:00
Warrington-St.Helens
Sat 13th Jul
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Hull KR
SL
00:00
Leigh-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-Salford
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Thu 4th Jul
NRL 18 Parramatta16-32Souths
Sun 30th Jun
CH13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
L1 13 Oldham30-6Hunslet
L1 13 Workington18-37Keighley
NRL 17 St.George26-6Dolphins
NRL 17 Penrith6-16NQL Cowboys
NRL 17 Sydney40-6Wests
Sat 29th Jun
CH 13 Toulouse20-0Featherstone
CH 13 Doncaster18-8Swinton
NRL 17 NZ Warriors32-16Brisbane
NRL 17 Newcastle34-26Parramatta
NRL 17 Melbourne16-6Canberra
MINT2024 1 France M8-40England M
WINT2024 1 FRANCE W0-42ENGLAND W
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 14 403 164 239 24
St.Helens 15 423 162 261 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Warrington 15 358 213 145 20
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 15 274 270 4 16
Huddersfield 15 298 317 -19 12
Leigh 14 264 226 38 11
Castleford 15 238 429 -191 7
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 15 140 598 -458 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 13 354 217 137 20
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
Whitehaven 13 266 358 -92 10
Halifax 13 270 377 -107 10
Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
Dewsbury 14 168 419 -251 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
3m
Leeds
Torbreck
4
17m
Squad 2024
Listenup94
561
19m
Rumours thread
Kettykat
1637
28m
Meadows
BigTime
3
33m
Batley next
Kettykat
2
35m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 16
yorkshiredra
23
37m
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Home
Builth Wells
17
37m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Whino4life
9269
39m
Murphy on his way then
PopTart
108
42m
Reserves v London
PopTart
21
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
38s
Leeds
Torbreck
4
40s
Round 16 London Home
tad rhino
3
44s
Leigh h
Zig
22
47s
Murphy on his way then
PopTart
108
47s
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
59s
Injuries and available cover
WIZEB
7
1m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 16
yorkshiredra
23
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hasbag
2352
1m
IMG scores
Trojan Horse
26
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
1855
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Batley next
Kettykat
2
TODAY
Round 16 London Home
chapylad
5
TODAY
Leeds
Torbreck
4
TODAY
Injuries and available cover
WIZEB
7
TODAY
Problems with this Site continued
sir adrian m
6
TODAY
3 clubs apply to join League 1
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Sadly one less Bronco
nkpom
2
TODAY
Fan Village
[Gareth]
4
TODAY
The Seagulls v The Panthers
Hudd-Shay
9
TODAY
Las Vegas 2025 English ladies involved
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
New halfback signing
Pyrah123
11
TODAY
Batley Bulldogs H
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Warriors
Cokey
1
TODAY
Best Wigan Tour Team
Cruncher
8
TODAY
Josh Bowden
Dr Dreadnoug
1
TODAY
Squad for Giants
Smiffy27
5
TODAY
Leigh h
Zig
22
TODAY
Meadows
BigTime
3
TODAY
July games
financialtim
2
TODAY
Salford - Away
bonaire
11
TODAY
Dons v Toulouse - Saturday 10 August 2024
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Toulouse A
Benji13
12
TODAY
IMG scores
Trojan Horse
26
TODAY
Nathan Mason
MicktheGled
8
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Huddersfield Home
Builth Wells
17
TODAY
Half Time Report
Trojan Horse
24
TODAY
Dewsbury v Dons Sunday 7/7/24 3pm
Kick and cha
8
TODAY
Our next 2 meetings
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
Lee Briers
Fantastic Mr
16
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wakefield Trinity Register Thi..
1107
Englands Youngsters Beat Franc..
976
Big Win for England Women Over..
712
2024 State of Origin - Game 2 ..
954
New Structure for 2025 Challen..
1046
Super League form rewarded as ..
1400
Superb Salford Complete Histor..
1285
Catalans Dragons Survive Secon..
1392
Warrington Wolves Snatch Late ..
1183
Spirit of Rob Burrow Inspires ..
1411
Hull KR Drop Goal Secures Win ..
1652
St Helens Break Fifty As They ..
1676
Leigh Leopards Resurgence Clai..
1757
Hull FC Get Second Win By Beat..
1418
Super Salford First Half Slays..
1879


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!