Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 9:08 am  

Looking at stats on tackle busts, breaks, attacking metrics we were far ahead of Hudd's.

I still don't get the perception Hudd's were the better team.

Sure we made some stupid mistakes, we gifted Hudd's field position and possession.

But our quality in attack was far higher, and our defence due to putting ourselves under pressure was far better. Better attack, better defence usually means you deserve to win.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 9:14 am  

Big Steve wrote:

Looking at stats on tackle busts, breaks, attacking metrics we were far ahead of Hudd's.

I still don't get the perception Hudd's were the better team.

Sure we made some stupid mistakes, we gifted Hudd's field position and possession.

But our quality in attack was far higher, and our defence due to putting ourselves under pressure was far better. Better attack, better defence usually means you deserve to win.

That's my thinking, but you know what - ultimately it doesn't matter. How many people can remember the scores, or performance from our 8 in a row?

The result is all that matters. We won & the trophy came home. Let the bitter Hudds fans talk about how they were the better side, or how they've got some kind of moral victory. The Trophy once again sits in Wigan's trophy room.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 10:29 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

That's my thinking, but you know what - ultimately it doesn't matter. How many people can remember the scores, or performance from our 8 in a row?

The result is all that matters. We won & the trophy came home. Let the bitter Hudds fans talk about how they were the better side, or how they've got some kind of moral victory. The Trophy once again sits in Wigan's trophy room.

I can always remember 27-0

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 10:42 am  

https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2022/05/ ... n-numbers/ Posted this in the wrong thread.

https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2022/05/ ... n-numbers/ Posted this in the wrong thread.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 11:40 am  

From Gavin Willacy at the Guardian:

"My vote helped McQueen become the 11th defeated player to win the man of the match award. Not that he really stood out. Despite looking his usual exhausted self from first minute to last, he just ripped into the Wigan defence every time he got the ball and did that more than most."

Firstly no he didn't. Smithies and Bateman were both better in that detail. Secondly, when has that ever been a good enough reason to award a MOM, let alone the Lance Todd! That award is supposed to be reserved for the player who had the most impact on the game. If that was McQueen I'll start watching a different sport.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 1:04 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

From Gavin Willacy at the Guardian:

"My vote helped McQueen become the 11th defeated player to win the man of the match award. Not that he really stood out. Despite looking his usual exhausted self from first minute to last, he just ripped into the Wigan defence every time he got the ball and did that more than most."

Firstly no he didn't. Smithies and Bateman were both better in that detail. Secondly, when has that ever been a good enough reason to award a MOM, let alone the Lance Todd! That award is supposed to be reserved for the player who had the most impact on the game. If that was McQueen I'll start watching a different sport.

If they had any self-awareness, people like Willacy would have been feeling pretty stupid once that game was over, though I doubt they will.

A close-to-retirement Aussie gets the award for doing his job (i.e. tackling), over a young British halfback who has just won the Challenge Cup for his hometown club with a stroke of genius. Yeah, on reflection I bet that decision feels like the right one down in Guardian Land.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 1:31 pm  

moto748 wrote:

And like you, so pleased for Marshall after his cruel luck earlier in his career. So pleased for the lad for whom it clearly means so much. The lads at the back of the coach on the way back were all singing "Liam Marshall, he's one of us!". And that's what it's all about, really, isn't it?

A player who for me is is underrated by opposing fans and some Wigan fans.

You never know wingers with pace rather than size may come into fashion again. I've said a few times over the past few years that Martin Offiah wouldn't get a place in today's game hopefully, times are a changing.

Nothing absolutely nothing can substitute for pace and thankfully we have 2 lads who can go the full length of the field on each wing at the moment and a FB who can outrun both wingers. I love it.
I know that you need your grafters to set the platform but give me our second try on Saturday any day of the year over a high speculative kick to the corner for a winger to pounce on a mistake or maybe out jump his opposite winger.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 1:38 pm  

Big Steve wrote:

Looking at stats on tackle busts, breaks, attacking metrics we were far ahead of Hudd's.

I still don't get the perception Hudd's were the better team.

Sure we made some stupid mistakes, we gifted Hudd's field position and possession.

But our quality in attack was far higher, and our defence due to putting ourselves under pressure was far better. Better attack, better defence usually means you deserve to win.

On the day I thought that Huddersfield were the better team by quite a margin for most of the 80 minutes however, on watching the game again a lot their territorial advantage was gained by poor handling by ourselves rather than line breaks by Huddersfield. I obviously saw that on Saturday but probably too much beer and disappointment in our opening 20 minutes led me to be overly critical of our display and overstate the effectiveness of a well drilled but a too conservative Huddersfield.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 1:55 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

On the day I thought that Huddersfield were the better team by quite a margin for most of the 80 minutes however, on watching the game again a lot their territorial advantage was gained by poor handling by ourselves rather than line breaks by Huddersfield. I obviously saw that on Saturday but probably too much beer and disappointment in our opening 20 minutes led me to be overly critical of our display and overstate the effectiveness of a well drilled but a too conservative Huddersfield.

This was their main cardinal sin. They were never so far ahead of us that a strategy like that didn't come at very high risk.

In the end, it was a calamitous decision and they had no one to blame but themselves.

Re: CCF match discussion : Tue May 31, 2022 2:04 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

This was their main cardinal sin. They were never so far ahead of us that a strategy like that didn't come at very high risk.

In the end, it was a calamitous decision and they had no one to blame but themselves.

Maybe. To be fair though, it very almost paid off - and they kept our attack quiet for the most part.

Those saying Huddersfield were the better side are definitely over-egging it, but their approach was a bounce of the ball away from causing an upset (albeit only a slight one).