Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:31 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Where's Leutele? Cudjoe is playing on next year as well. Something has to give somewhere.

Good question mate; I’d guess Australia.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:23 am  

Pieman wrote:

no they didnt, they have had their last 2 academy applications rejected twice.....

They can still run an Academy.

The fact their development systems were so poor the last 2 times means they failed to be part of the elite Academy program. There is absolutely no reason why they cannot however run an Academy program outside that much like Featherston have done.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:22 am  

jonh wrote:

They can still run an Academy.

The fact their development systems were so poor the last 2 times means they failed to be part of the elite Academy program. There is absolutely no reason why they cannot however run an Academy program outside that much like Featherston have done.

it wasnt poor it was rejected, they can have an academy but cannot play games v academies, so they could only play salford as they were refused also, they got rejected but newcastle accepted...shows the RFL for what it is again...useless

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:04 am  

MadDogg wrote:

Where's Leutele? Cudjoe is playing on next year as well. Something has to give somewhere.

Wigan with Wardle

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:07 pm  

Pieman wrote:

it wasnt poor it was rejected, they can have an academy but cannot play games v academies, so they could only play salford as they were refused also, they got rejected but newcastle accepted...shows the RFL for what it is again...useless

Did you not read the last link I posted on this topic?

Leigh are more than free to set up and run a development academy. There is a development league which is run jointly with the student RL community and colleges who run successful teams, and with evidence of investment and resources apply for an elite licence a couple of years later.

Honestly how teams have made the RFL the bad guys for not accepting clubs taking money for running an academy and then pocketing it rather than actually investing in young players makes me really angry. Newcastle we’re able to evidence how they used the funding and committed to creating pathways for young players, Leigh didn’t. That doesn’t make the RFL useless, it makes Leigh useless.

We in this country are far far too dependent on too few academies to produce the vast majority of talent in the UK (one of which is Wigans academy) and the RFL were right for not accepting clubs taking the Michael about it.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:27 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Did you not read the last link I posted on this topic?

Leigh are more than free to set up and run a development academy. There is a development league which is run jointly with the student RL community and colleges who run successful teams, and with evidence of investment and resources apply for an elite licence a couple of years later.

Honestly how teams have made the RFL the bad guys for not accepting clubs taking money for running an academy and then pocketing it rather than actually investing in young players makes me really angry. Newcastle we’re able to evidence how they used the funding and committed to creating pathways for young players, Leigh didn’t. That doesn’t make the RFL useless, it makes Leigh useless.

We in this country are far far too dependent on too few academies to produce the vast majority of talent in the UK (one of which is Wigans academy) and the RFL were right for not accepting clubs taking the Michael about it.

they are free too? thats good of them, the college league was running anyway, they hve been forced there as the RFL rejected their application (again), you also have to attend the college to play so its not really the same is it? Leigh didnt have an academy to show where the money was going.....how could they? so yeah it makes the RFL useless, you say teams are dependant on a few academies? They have no choice, Look at Leigh Miners this year....10 of their 13 are on pro teams book and not one at Leigh because they cannot, Wigan, Wire and Saints have benefitted from it.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:34 pm  

Pieman wrote:

they are free too? thats good of them, the college league was running anyway, they hve been forced there as the RFL rejected their application (again), you also have to attend the college to play so its not really the same is it? Leigh didnt have an academy to show where the money was going.....how could they? the same as salford, so yeah it makes the RFL useless

If you got rejected from a job because you don’t evidence having the necessary skills and experience to do the job that makes the hiring company useless? The backwards logic here is staggering.

Yes, run a development academy, in conjunction with a college, evidence your commitment to development pathways and investment into youth, apply for an elite licence. Or throw your toys out the pram for not getting funding for something you weren’t doing anyway. How do you think the Newcastle Academy started?

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 4:53 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

If you got rejected from a job because you don’t evidence having the necessary skills and experience to do the job that makes the hiring company useless? The backwards logic here is staggering.

Yes, run a development academy, in conjunction with a college, evidence your commitment to development pathways and investment into youth, apply for an elite licence. Or throw your toys out the pram for not getting funding for something you weren’t doing anyway. How do you think the Newcastle Academy started?

so you have to attend Leigh college? Instead of going to Winstanley or St John Rigby....or even going for a trade, your analogy makes no sense, its like applying for a job?? How did Leigh not have the relevant requirements? They did eh...

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:30 pm  

Pieman wrote:

so you have to attend Leigh college? Instead of going to Winstanley or St John Rigby....or even going for a trade, your analogy makes no sense, its like applying for a job?? How did Leigh not have the relevant requirements? They did eh...

The Saints academy is partnered with St Helen’s College. Yes, one of the requirements of an academy is to still provide training and skills opportunities outside of the sport. This extends well past the academy and into the first team too. Liam Farrell just graduated from UCLAN for example. Most juniors split their time between college (or apprenticeship) and the club, with the club providing additional support and pastoral care. If you only judge an academy on the success of those who go on to be successful in the sport, it’s not a very good barometer. Sadly a successful career in SL isn’t enough to support someone for their whole life, and continued education alongside the sport is absolutely necessary.

Leigh didn’t have the relevant qualifications by not having clear plans and structures for how they support all of their juniors into careers. Instead of strengthening these pastoral areas, they took the cut in funding and an excuse to not bother at all, which shows how invested they were in the success of it in the first place.

Why it’s such a surprise that some academies are better than others I don’t know.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:59 pm  

Pieman wrote:

so you have to attend Leigh college? Instead of going to Winstanley or St John Rigby....or even going for a trade, your analogy makes no sense, its like applying for a job?? How did Leigh not have the relevant requirements? They did eh...

If the lads are going for a trade they enrol at the college. Plenty of current SL players were developed through that system.

It was set up by the RFL to get late developers. All of the smaller clubs have issues recruiting if the bigger clubs come in for them. Clubs like Wakefield etc get the scraps but still run a very successful and highly regarded junior program, they also align with the local college to provide a pathway away from the traditional pathway.

It takes some effort and vision, looks like that is a bit too much for some clubs to comprehend or attempt.