Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Sat Jul 23, 2022 9:22 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

If you got rejected from a job because you don’t evidence having the necessary skills and experience to do the job that makes the hiring company useless? The backwards logic here is staggering.....

By 'eck, Superbeetle, tha don't 'alf love threshin' straw mons!

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:53 am  

NSW wrote:

Huddersfield have signed Naquarma (spell) and Bibby, no way they’ll have King off Warrington with his huge contract. Wire fans thinking he’ll just go away are deluded.

Hudds Naquarma Bibby

Wire King Ma’tuatia

Leaves Wardle to us.

Huddersfield have Cudjoe too, and they’re running with 3 senior centres this year, certainly think Wardles days are over at Huddersfield but I think it’s looking more likely he would go to Warrington over us. We have/had the cap space as we’d signed Cooper and it would have made more sense to swap with Bibby if he was going their next season. I don’t think Warrington having King and Matuatia makes Wardle a none starter for them, teams run with 3 senior centres and Matautia can cover full back and Wardle wing if needed and we know Warringtons accountant will find room under the cap.
Imo the best centre of them all is Leutele but it’s finding a quota spot, if French is to leave I think he would be a great use of his quota spot, the only worry is his age with him being 32 as we would be looking to replace in a couple of years and Wardle would hopefully lock a starting centre spot for years without taking a quota spot.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:52 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

Huddersfield have Cudjoe too, and they’re running with 3 senior centres this year, certainly think Wardles days are over at Huddersfield but I think it’s looking more likely he would go to Warrington over us. We have/had the cap space as we’d signed Cooper and it would have made more sense to swap with Bibby if he was going their next season. I don’t think Warrington having King and Matuatia makes Wardle a none starter for them, teams run with 3 senior centres and Matautia can cover full back and Wardle wing if needed and we know Warringtons accountant will find room under the cap.
Imo the best centre of them all is Leutele but it’s finding a quota spot, if French is to leave I think he would be a great use of his quota spot, the only worry is his age with him being 32 as we would be looking to replace in a couple of years and Wardle would hopefully lock a starting centre spot for years without taking a quota spot.

Wire have Connor Wrench as well, so I think they’d need to shift King to get Wardle personally but you never can tell with Wire.

I’d do them a favour and take Wrench if they need another off the books. Incredible that Powell isn’t playing the kid. He looks a superb player.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:52 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote: The Saints academy is partnered with St Helen’s College. Yes, one of the requirements of an academy is to still provide training and skills opportunities outside of the sport. This extends well past the academy and into the first team too. Liam Farrell just graduated from UCLAN for example. Most juniors split their time between college (or apprenticeship) and the club, with the club providing additional support and pastoral care. If you only judge an academy on the success of those who go on to be successful in the sport, it’s not a very good barometer. Sadly a successful career in SL isn’t enough to support someone for their whole life, and continued education alongside the sport is absolutely necessary. Leigh didn’t have the relevant qualifications by not having clear plans and structures for how they support all of their juniors into careers. Instead of strengthening these pastoral areas, they took the cut in funding and an excuse to not bother at all, which shows how invested they were in the success of it in the first place. Why it’s such a surprise that some academies are better than others I don’t know. One of the reasons why Wigan run their own education academy? https://wiganwarriors.com/community-education/education. I think John Winder is the leader of that initiative.

Magic Superbeetle wrote: The Saints academy is partnered with St Helen’s College. Yes, one of the requirements of an academy is to still provide training and skills opportunities outside of the sport. This extends well past the academy and into the first team too. Liam Farrell just graduated from UCLAN for example. Most juniors split their time between college (or apprenticeship) and the club, with the club providing additional support and pastoral care. If you only judge an academy on the success of those who go on to be successful in the sport, it’s not a very good barometer. Sadly a successful career in SL isn’t enough to support someone for their whole life, and continued education alongside the sport is absolutely necessary. Leigh didn’t have the relevant qualifications by not having clear plans and structures for how they support all of their juniors into careers. Instead of strengthening these pastoral areas, they took the cut in funding and an excuse to not bother at all, which shows how invested they were in the success of it in the first place. Why it’s such a surprise that some academies are better than others I don’t know. One of the reasons why Wigan run their own education academy? https://wiganwarriors.com/community-education/education. I think John Winder is the leader of that initiative.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:52 am  

I still think Wardle will end up at Wigan.

King will go to Giants, if the right deal can be struck. He’s on a massive deal at Wire and some financial compromise between the clubs and him would have to be reached in regards his wage. King is a Huddersfield lad and big Giants “fan”.

King , Bibby and Cudjo will be fighting it out for 2 centre spots.

King wanted to go to the Giants in this most recent deal, Wardle just wanted out so short term Wire was a good destination and a deal could be done.

Longer term, is beyond this season, I think a deal with Wigan has been done.

No inside info at all just a feeling and a few murmurs from different people.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:52 am  

[quote="jonh"]I still think Wardle will end up at Wigan.

King will go to Giants, if the right deal can be struck. He’s on a massive deal at Wire and some financial compromise between the clubs and him would have to be reached in regards his wage. King is a Huddersfield lad and big Giants “fan”.

King , Bibby and Cudjo will be fighting it out for 2 centre spots.

King wanted to go to the Giants in this most recent deal, Wardle just wanted out so short term Wire was a good destination and a deal could be done.

Longer term, is beyond this season, I think a deal with Wigan has been done.

No inside info at all just a feeling and a few murmurs from different people.[/quote

Giants have signed naquama so chances are we keep Bibby. Wardle signs for wire with King still Yh ere and Wrench as back up

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:54 am  

[quote="WWste"]

I have a feeling the Wigan deal was already wrapped up before the loan move to Wire was even given serious consideration and was the instigator of the move.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:02 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

Huddersfield have Cudjoe too, and they’re running with 3 senior centres this year, certainly think Wardles days are over at Huddersfield but I think it’s looking more likely he would go to Warrington over us. We have/had the cap space as we’d signed Cooper and it would have made more sense to swap with Bibby if he was going their next season. I don’t think Warrington having King and Matuatia makes Wardle a none starter for them, teams run with 3 senior centres and Matautia can cover full back and Wardle wing if needed and we know Warringtons accountant will find room under the cap.
Imo the best centre of them all is Leutele but it’s finding a quota spot, if French is to leave I think he would be a great use of his quota spot, the only worry is his age with him being 32 as we would be looking to replace in a couple of years and Wardle would hopefully lock a starting centre spot for years without taking a quota spot.

unless you are Wigan, when you run with 1 recognised centre who is injury prone

on a serious note though, this is one area that we need to be considering for next year. Halsall, either needs to be playing 1st team or if not considered good enough be moved on, but i think the general consensus is he should be playing at the minute. I dont watch academy, so have no idea if we have anyone else good enough coming through. We cant go into next season with only Thornley as a recognised centre (Zak wasnt imo either) as its proving again to be a problem area for us. We have rightly strengthened in the front row, but cant keep paying lip service to a specialist position like centre and need at least 2 recognised starting centres with Halsall as back up, if they dont think he is ready just yet for a first team shirt

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:04 am  

[quote="WWste"]

I think a few people have said the Bibby to Huddersfield deal is done.

Also with regards to salary cap, seen a few people mentioning we will have less next year due to increasing the wages of Farrell.

Just because he’s signed a new deal doesn’t mean his salary has increased. It may well have done but isn’t a given.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:05 am  

Kevin Proctor been released for vaping at half time, let's get him signed up and release Isa