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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:08 am  
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Wasn't the same
Without getting all technical Singletons deffo was an obstruction (Irrespective of the swan dive from the defender) - Mcqueen's wasn't - The dummy runner ran through the line on an inside shoulder and Bibby chose to take the runner - Right decision on both

Correct Bibby initiated contact, right call.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:21 am  
Everyone saying that the ref bottled it by not sin binning players should look back at previous Challenge Cup Finals. I can't rememeber a single player being sin binned for at least the last 10 years., Looks like a directive to referee's to me.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:00 am  
Jukesays wrote:
Wasn't the same
Without getting all technical Singletons deffo was an obstruction (Irrespective of the swan dive from the defender) - Mcqueen's wasn't - The dummy runner ran through the line on an inside shoulder and Bibby chose to take the runner - Right decision on both

I know what you're saying Jukesy and not disagreeing exactly but the Singleton one was a little more than a swan dive to be fair. He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive. He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary.

Penalty because of the contact but the contact was initiated by the Huddersfield player so a highly 'milked' one at the very least
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:13 am  
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Penalty because of the contact but the contact was initiated by the Huddersfield player so a highly 'milked' one at the very least


A big issue with the current interpretations of the obstruction rule for me.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:47 am  
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A big issue with the current interpretations of the obstruction rule for me.

Definitely. Shouldn't be a penalty in my opinion as it's borderline cheating and we have enough of that creeping into the game.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:47 pm  
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Definitely. Shouldn't be a penalty in my opinion as it's borderline cheating and we have enough of that creeping into the game.


I've not watched the game back, but you regularly see defenders just throw their arms in the air or take a dive rather than even attempt to defend the play and it's, as you say, becoming like borderline cheating.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:11 pm  
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I've not watched the game back, but you regularly see defenders just throw their arms in the air or take a dive rather than even attempt to defend the play and it's, as you say, becoming like borderline cheating.


It's deffo a penalty
Singleton makes no attempt to go on the inside shoulder of the defender, and the defender (Levi) is no more than a yard away from the defender outside him when contacts made so there's no gap before the Contact.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:07 pm  
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I know what you're saying Jukesy and not disagreeing exactly but the Singleton one was a little more than a swan dive to be fair. He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive. He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary.

Penalty because of the contact but the contact was initiated by the Huddersfield player so a highly 'milked' one at the very least


We'll have to agree to disagree
When Singleton goes through he makes no attempt to get inside of Levi (And there is a big gap on Levi's inside to Chris Hill).
Levi could hardly go any further to his right as he was already only a yard away from his outside defender (He has to hold is defensive line until Singleton isn't an option).
It's Singleton's responsibility to avoid that contact, Levi doesn't go out of his way to take Singleton or choose to take him.

You say "He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary" - But he couldn't avoid the contact as he has to Skip to the right as the play unfolds to pick up the next runner. Singleton's responsibility there once he isn't an option is to get on the inside of Levi and not Hinder his attempt to get across. Singleton is on Levi's outside shoulder and blocks him

Comparisons to the Bibby one are way off
Whoever the Dummy runner is for Hudds comes on the inside of Bibby and Bibby rather than skip on (Which he could have he chose to as there was no one physically there to stop him) decides to initiate contact with the Hudds player on Bibby's inside shoulder.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:49 am  
Jukesays wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree
When Singleton goes through he makes no attempt to get inside of Levi (And there is a big gap on Levi's inside to Chris Hill).
Levi could hardly go any further to his right as he was already only a yard away from his outside defender (He has to hold is defensive line until Singleton isn't an option).
It's Singleton's responsibility to avoid that contact, Levi doesn't go out of his way to take Singleton or choose to take him.

You say "He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary" - But he couldn't avoid the contact as he has to Skip to the right as the play unfolds to pick up the next runner. Singleton's responsibility there once he isn't an option is to get on the inside of Levi and not Hinder his attempt to get across. Singleton is on Levi's outside shoulder and blocks him

Comparisons to the Bibby one are way off
Whoever the Dummy runner is for Hudds comes on the inside of Bibby and Bibby rather than skip on (Which he could have he chose to as there was no one physically there to stop him) decides to initiate contact with the Hudds player on Bibby's inside shoulder.

Never disputed the Bibby one. We'll have to (partly) agree to disagree on the other. It's definitely a penalty as I said in the post but it was about as milked as it gets.
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