Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:39 am  

Two wins for Saints since Welsby has been out of the team, time to start a bad egg in the changing room rumour

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:54 am  

Stu M wrote:

Agree about our attack overall and I've already said its why we won't win anything again this season, I just feel there is mitigation last night compared to other occasions or the season in general. Salford didn't defend like Leigh. 12 of your first half points were through rank bad defending. You didn't do anything special to score, Nsemba and Keighran literally walked through Moylan defending with one arm and won't score easier tries in their career. You didn't carve them up, that's my point.

Welsby by his own standards has not been as good this season but his tries and assists are still impressive. As I've said I think Wigan have dipped without French. Naturally they will as he is world class.

You keep saying that Stu but there's more than one defender on the park. To get Moylan to miss one on one tackles you have to be at the right end of the field and be good enough to concentrate your attack at a perceived weakness. I'm not sure why his poor defending negates everything else we did right to get to that point. As I pointed out, we dominated in the forwards, were rock solid in defence and scored 22 points, all of which Saints were unable to do just a week or so previously. They still had Lam, Ipape, Asiata etc on the field but we're unable to score. The same attack scored at will against Saints. Moylan's poor defence has no bearing on that. And all that was without Field, French and O'Neil. Yet just days later you're offering Welsby and Lomax missing as mitigation despite Lomax having been God awful all season. I'm comparing and contrasting your two approaches to our games here Stu, that's all. It doesn't have any logic.

Just out of interest, what did you "do special" to score that Wigan didn't? Your best effort was a forward pass at the line from Burns (who, along with Robertson was very good btw)

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:59 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

Just out of interest, what did you "do special" to score that Wigan didn't? Your best effort was a forward pass at the line from Burns (who, along with Robertson was very good btw)

We didn't. We scored basic tries as we have no attack, this has never been in question. I'm the first to point out when Wigan are excellent, HKR and Warrington in the CC two prime examples but no matter what you say I don't think you were that great against Leigh, I thought they were shambolic in that first half. Completing sets doesn't always translate into points. We had a very high completion rate in the first half last night but scored only one try.

Yes the facts are that you scored 22 first half points but I think they were easy points and you didn't have to work hard to get them that's all.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:02 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Two wins for Saints since Welsby has been out of the team, time to start a bad egg in the changing room rumour

There's a part of me that wonders if Welsby may still go to the NRL sooner rather than later and we earn a decent transfer fee.

The emergence of Robertson and the signing of Sailor is making me put 2 & 2 together. I could be making 5 but there's a nagging feeling I may be right.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:13 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Whilst our attack was poor there is a lot of mitigation. No Welsby, Lomax and then Dodd goes off during the game. We've seen how Wigan look less fluid without French..

Paasi goes off in the first 20 mins and Walmsley is playing his first game in 16 weeks.

Also 9 times out of 10 that ridiculous Hankinson try isn't given and granted I haven't watched the game back yet but there are a few saying Ritson's try should've been given too. Thats a big point swing.

The other point to consider is that Salford are no also rans anymore. They were a Sneyd brain fart away from beating Wigan this season.

At the moment its all about results for us rather than performances

I think there was a big doubt about the Hankinson try, Ritson’s effort getting chalked off was the correct decision. It’s swings and roundabouts there are umpteen decisions that can be debated, none more so than a number of Saints players being offside following NM’s break and M’Bye’s subsequent try preventing tackle on Cross. Regarding Paasi he was the architect of his own downfall, not wearing the prescribed mouth guard.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:15 pm  

Stu M wrote:

There's a part of me that wonders if Welsby may still go to the NRL sooner rather than later and we earn a decent transfer fee.

The emergence of Robertson and the signing of Sailor is making me put 2 & 2 together. I could be making 5 but there's a nagging feeling I may be right.

I hope for your sake that is not right, Sailor is not in the class of Welsby.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:18 pm  

Stu M wrote:

We didn't. We scored basic tries as we have no attack, this has never been in question. I'm the first to point out when Wigan are excellent, HKR and Warrington in the CC two prime examples but no matter what you say I don't think you were that great against Leigh, I thought they were shambolic in that first half. Completing sets doesn't always translate into points. We had a very high completion rate in the first half last night but scored only one try.

Yes the facts are that you scored 22 first half points but I think they were easy points and you didn't have to work hard to get them that's all.

Leigh missed 35 tackles, Salford 59.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:23 pm  

Stu M wrote:

We didn't. We scored basic tries as we have no attack, this has never been in question. I'm the first to point out when Wigan are excellent, HKR and Warrington in the CC two prime examples but no matter what you say I don't think you were that great against Leigh, I thought they were shambolic in that first half. Completing sets doesn't always translate into points. We had a very high completion rate in the first half last night but scored only one try.

Yes the facts are that you scored 22 first half points but I think they were easy points and you didn't have to work hard to get them that's all.

To be fair Stu, the difference between what Saints do with possession and what Leigh normally do is chalk and cheese.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:33 pm  

jonh wrote:

Very good player which is why I am a bit confused by the recruitment of Sailor.

For me I’d be running with a spine of Clark, Lomax, Welsby and Robertson next year.

Find it very strange they have recruited Sailor to displace/reduce his minutes/opportunities.

I understand the need to maybe manage his game time so I do think a signing who could cover one of the 7/6/1 spots would be needed, but Sailor whilst not getting marquee money had offers to stay in the NRL and from other SL clubs so won’t have come cheap plus whilst mid/late 20s he’s not coming in, in that mentor role as he’s fairly inexperienced himself for his age.

I’ve read it somewhere that Sailor was receiving Aus $ 300,000 from the Broncos which equates to circa £155k. He won’t come cheap.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:58 pm  

Stu M wrote:

There's a part of me that wonders if Welsby may still go to the NRL sooner rather than later and we earn a decent transfer fee.

The emergence of Robertson and the signing of Sailor is making me put 2 & 2 together. I could be making 5 but there's a nagging feeling I may be right.

We were in discussions with him at the end of last season maybe he’s regretting the fact that he signed an extended contract with Saints ? He wouldn’t be the first or the last.