Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:08 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Literally no club has anything to fear with us.

If indeed we do make the top 6 we go out week 1. Just want this season to be over with already.

I’m going to Warrington next week fearing a hiding similar to the HKR game.

Better result than Utd though. Who gets sacked first Wellens or ETH?

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:10 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

So looks like Saints will get in the playoffs as its hard to see them losing to Cas at home twice.

Wigan still have to win a couple of games to guarantee finishing in the top 2 but what stands out at this time of year is the lack of advantage for the top 2 clubs whoever they end up being. No second chance like in the previous top 6 system (which was my preference) and also no guarantee that finishing 1st over finishing 2nd will lead to an easier fixture. but Frankly if it was a choice between Wigan finishing 2nd and playing Warrington or Wigan finishing 1st and playing Leigh or St Helens, I'd probably prefer the Warrington fixture.

I think that Saints may need to win two games to make the six.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 01, 2024 9:16 pm  

Zig wrote:

I think that Saints may need to win two games to make the six.

From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.

The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 6:31 am  

MadDogg wrote:

From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.

The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.

Spot on.

The only bright spot is that by the Cas game and judging by the injury timelines we’ll have Dodd, Clark, Sironen, Percival and maybe Welsby back plus Makinson will have served his ban

Although with the way this season is going with injuries we’ll probably have picked up another 5 before then.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:59 am  

MadDogg wrote:

From what I can see that would only be the case if Catalans beat Salford and Salford then beat us in the final week. One win would definitely see them above Leeds.

The Leigh v Saints game will likely determine which of the two teams finish higher.

That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen. I think that Saints will definitely need two wins to get a home tie which necessitates winning at Leigh and as I said they ‘may’ need to win two to make the six. If they play like yesterday then they are doomed.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:02 am  

Zig wrote:

That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen. I think that Saints will definitely need two wins to get a home tie which necessitates winning at Leigh and as I said they ‘may’ need to win two to make the six. If they play like yesterday then they are doomed.

How can all those things happen? Salford can't beat Catalans at the same time as Catalans beat Salford?

One win should enough bearing in mind all the permutations

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:07 am  

Copied and pasted from RedVee and this is the best explanation for me......

*************************************************************************************************************************
Been going through the fixtures to work out all the possibilities.

Current table:
Saints 28
Salford 28
Leigh 27
Catalans 26
Leeds 26

Fixtures: (my lousy predictions in brackets)

SAINTS
Wire A (L)
Cas H (W)
Leigh A (L)

SALFORD
Catalans H (W)
Hull FC A (W)
Wigan A (L)

LEIGH
Cas A (W)
Hull KR H (L)
Saints H (W)

CATALANS
Salford A (L)
London H (W)
Hull FC A (W)

LEEDS
Hull FC H (W)
Wigan A (L)
Hull KR A (L)

Would leave the final table:

Salford 32
Leigh 31
Saints 30
Catalans 30
Leeds 28

Boldly assuming a win against Cas, it would be very unlikely that we miss the playoffs given Leeds' run-in and Catalans inferior points difference.

Leigh away a huge game for them as a defeat could well see them drop out. A win for us would put us in 4th and give us another home game, and a loss would mean Warrington away first up.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:19 am  

Stu M wrote:

Copied and pasted from RedVee and this is the best explanation for me......

*************************************************************************************************************************
Been going through the fixtures to work out all the possibilities.

Current table:
Saints 28
Salford 28
Leigh 27
Catalans 26
Leeds 26

Fixtures: (my lousy predictions in brackets)

SAINTS
Wire A (L)
Cas H (W)
Leigh A (L)

SALFORD
Catalans H (W)
Hull FC A (W)
Wigan A (L)

LEIGH
Cas A (W)
Hull KR H (L)
Saints H (W)

CATALANS
Salford A (L)
London H (W)
Hull FC A (W)

LEEDS
Hull FC H (W)
Wigan A (L)
Hull KR A (L)

Would leave the final table:

Salford 32
Leigh 31
Saints 30
Catalans 30
Leeds 28

Boldly assuming a win against Cas, it would be very unlikely that we miss the playoffs given Leeds' run-in and Catalans inferior points difference.

Leigh away a huge game for them as a defeat could well see them drop out. A win for us would put us in 4th and give us another home game, and a loss would mean Warrington away first up.

Completely agree with all of that. The biggest doubt is Salford v Catalans - Cats looks decent in the first half against Wigan. If they're able to take a risk on Tomkins, Mcilorum, Abdul etc then this is the game to do it.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:29 am  

I'm just desperate for us to continue our proud record of being the only team to make the play offs every season in SL. I have zero expectations on us getting past Week 1 but at least we can preserve a record.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:36 am  

Zig wrote:

That’s the logical outcome but mathematically not factual. Catalans will finish on 32 points if they beat Salford, Hull and London. Salford can accumulate 34 points with three wins. Leigh can finish on 33 points and Leeds 32. I agree it is a tall order to expect all those things to happen.

It's not just a tall order - it's impossible as Salford play Catalans this week.