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Re: Sony Bill & the New World Order : Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:22 pm  
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I agree hence I do not think it would be unreasonable to sign a player who is one of the most talented players of his generation because of speculation about his personality.


If it were just speculation then I would be more inclined to agree with you.
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Re: Sony Bill & the New World Order : Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:30 pm  
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.....and yet the geatest ever team Wigan have had was full of players who did not see eye to eye with massive ego's.

Most great teams are full of massive ego's and personality clashes but they are usually also ultimate professionals.

It is noted the likes of Goodway was always seen as an individual. Edwards and Gregory always clashing to be top dog, and Hanley spat his dummy regularly.

Do not get confused. Your favourite topic of the salary cap has robbed rugby league of seeing a team littered with massive ego's but in other sports again the best teams are littered with personality clashes and ego's.

As I said earlier it is how a coach manages them that is key and also the fact that regardless of opinions of each other that they are professionals and work towards the ultimate goal of being successful.

I think when Wane talks about fitting in it is more to do with the systems rather than the concept that they are "together" in any other way than wanting to be successful.

Togetherness is something I associate teams that overachieve/are at the lower end of the table but are capable of causing the odd upset eg Wakefield Trinity or Wimbledon in the 80's.

Give me a team of players that do not get along but are ultimate professionals every time.


But is it the sign of an ultimate professional to keep on marketing himself to the highest bidder regardless of whatever deal he's just signed?

Surely there comes a point where a professional should say "I've now been paid to do a job, so I'll do it", not just keep on trying to find someone else who'll pay him even more.

The tearing up of his last NRL deal signified to me that the guy - at least in terms of his attitude - is very far from being a model professional.
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Re: Sony Bill & the New World Order : Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:36 pm  
Speculation or not the fact is you do not have to be well liked or even liked at all to be a massive asset to a team.

I would wager while some fans have an slightly amateurish mentality when it comes to these issues, if you offerered SBW to any coach of any team in league or union they would take him on the spot. You do not turn down world class players and thar is the bottom line.
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Re: Sony Bill & the New World Order : Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:50 am  
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Speculation or not the fact is you do not have to be well liked or even liked at all to be a massive asset to a team.

I would wager while some fans have an slightly amateurish mentality when it comes to these issues, if you offerered SBW to any coach of any team in league or union they would take him on the spot. You do not turn down world class players and thar is the bottom line.


Spot on....Until he up's and leaves, cause he gets a better offer. Sorry i have an amateur outlook.
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Re: Sony Bill & the New World Order : Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:44 am  
The Australians have weathered the raids from Union and come out stronger. They have focussed on their domestic treasure - State of Origin - and not preoccupied themselves with spreading the game to non league areas with hair brained schemes. The outcome is the NRL is able to up its rates and compete happily for rugby players with Union, whilst here in England we don't seem to have a viable plan to emulate their success.

SBW the player rather than the person is the point of this thread. OK there are some peculiarities concerning his form in terms of contracts and agreements, but it shows where NRL is today from a point in the late 90's when their game was split down the middle and in serious trouble. Somewhere in there, there is a business model and it has to be worth looking at.
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