Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:07 pm  

Wigan RLFC wrote:

However, Matty Smith, Joel Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Tony Clubb, Dan Sarginson, Josh Charnley all in that side today. All played for England at international level. Forget about injuries and the amount of young kids in the team, the reason we lost today was because those players didn't stand up, show their experience and direct our young guys around the field, pathetic.

Yes, this. Other sides we play at least seem to have a functioning pair of halves. I've never been a fan of Miller or Finn, but it sounded like they both had a field day today.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:08 pm  

Not a troll - I have a genuine point here.

Wigan have a first rate academy so when you combine that with a side containing Josh Charnley, Tony Clubb, Willie Isa, Dom Manfredi, Lee Mossop, Sam Powell, Dan Sarginson, Matty Smith, Taulima Tautai and Joel Tomkins (maybe even Sutton and Burke) it is really surprising that the score was what it was.
There are enough seasoned professionals in that side to make a match of it.

It might be just a case of 'put it down to a very bad day at the office' and move on. Sometimes you can read too much into a result and beat yourself up with no positive benefit.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:11 pm  

Manfredi didn't play, but yes, it should have been a lot better.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:11 pm  

Hull KR put in a much better performance with a worse team against us. No excuses for that performance and score line.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:12 pm  

Wigan RLFC wrote:

Not the end of the world, i know we'll still be up there at the end of the season. However, Matty Smith, Joel Tomkins, Lee Mossop, Tony Clubb, Dan Sarginson, Josh Charnley all in that side today. All played for England at international level. Forget about injuries and the amount of young kids in the team, the reason we lost today was because those players didn't stand up, show their experience and direct our young guys around the field, pathetic. Credit to Wakefield - brilliant performance.

I agree its not the end of the world but, as has already been said, no way is that scoreline remotely acceptable.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:14 pm  

The result isn't a surprise, I called Wakefield by 12 - they are on form and yes we have injuries to key players, it happens.

But the scoreline is totally uacceptable, as bad as Catalans away last year. I don't think it'll cost Wane his job (and it shouldn't either). But it is another wake up call for the club that things need to change. I don't know what the answer is, but we need a response.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:17 pm  

You look at the injuries to ten senior players.
The scrapping of the reserves competition with U19's having the cut off.
Poor recruitment when experienced players leave. Filling the team with kids with no leadership weakening our strength in depth. It looks only set to continue with Oliver Gildart replacing Dan Sarginson.
The few "senior" players we have are pretty ordinary i.e Matty Smith, Lee Mossop etc

Having said all of that - that performance/scoreline will never be acceptable. There are no excuses that can justify that scoreline.We need answers and we need to make sure that never happens again.

Re: Squad for Wakefield : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:19 pm  

I posted at 28-0 that I didn't feel we should get too down on them today and I stick by that but to let the scoreboard blow like that is worrying. We were always got me to lose today and unless we get a few bodies back we'll continue to do so but you don't expect that. The attitude of the players has been spot on this year but the form in attack hasn't been great. We had Cas away and Catalans away last year where we just didn't turn up. I don't feel as down today as I did after those two defeats because there are clearly mitigating circumstances but they only count for a portion.

Here's to a change of fortune on the injury front. If and when we get that we'll be able to form a much better judgement of where we're at.

Re: Squad for Wakefield & post match "discussion" : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:19 pm  

Could be worse. Could be Leeds

Re: Squad for Wakefield & post match "discussion" : Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:20 pm  

I'm wondering what pearls of wisdom Pacific has to offer on this result.