Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:51 pm  

Stu M wrote:

Good piece that. Seems an unassuming kid with a very proud Dad. Looks like a talented footballer too!

Anyone get the feeling his dad fancied the riches being a footballer brings?!

Seems a really nice kid. I loved the Wilkin interview with him after the last round. I really hope he’s back involved tomorrow, I think we need his size and power.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:53 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Changed my mind on Hill over Mago based on Havard being back in. Mago won’t need to do extended minutes and he does at least go forward, so hopefully we can get a good spell from him. I’d start Nsemba. He’s a natural second rower and adds size.

Just no with the reason for throwing Mago in instead of Hill. We are so, so poor at blooding young forwards. To have half a chance as a 19 year old prop, he needs game time in a stronger pack rather than just filling in for injuries. Look at the rotations the likes of Jamie Peacock, Stuart Fielden, James Graham, Sam Burgess, Oledszki were introduced into. A huge part of their developments was being given game time within strong packs. Our if needs must approach is all wrong.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:59 pm  

ralvag wrote:

Just no with the reason for throwing Mago in instead of Hill. We are so, so poor at blooding young forwards. To have half a chance as a 19 year old prop, he needs game time in a stronger pack rather than just filling in for injuries. Look at the rotations the likes of Jamie Peacock, Stuart Fielden, James Graham, Sam Burgess, Oledszki were introduced into. A huge part of their developments was being given game time within strong packs. Our if needs must approach is all wrong.

You saying you’re playing Hill then?

I’d just be a bit worried about there being no Powell, so you’ve got O’Neill, Nsemba and possibly Hill all in the same side. It feels a bit inexperienced against Wires pack to me but I can’t say I’m desperate to see Mago. I’d just edge towards Mago over Hill based on size/experience but my faith in him is as low as it’s been at any point.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:04 pm  

Didn't Peacock start out as a SR?

Hill in our pack as it is feels desperate. I'd understand having him as 4th choice behind 3 quality props (As 4th behind Walmsley, Paasi and Lees for example) but with the run of form we've had and the injuries etc I'm not sure.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:07 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

You saying you’re playing Hill then?

I’d just be a bit worried about there being no Powell, so you’ve got O’Neill, Nsemba and possibly Hill all in the same side. It feels a bit inexperienced against Wires pack to me but I can’t say I’m desperate to see Mago. I’d just edge towards Mago over Hill based on size/experience but my faith in him is as low as it’s been at any point.

I've seen enough in Hill's attitude alone to have him in before Mago. At Saints he was better than Mago and at least had a proper go. Already I see Hill as less of a liability in defence too. Have we seen a single Mago performance since he came over where he really took it to the opposition? I just don't think he brings anything that Hill doesn't...maybe 1 or 2 big drives maximum a game, but very lazy defence.

As you say faith in him to step up dwindles very game...he's had enough chances for me. I think both for tomorrow & benefits in the long term it has to be Hill.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:10 pm  

It’s a sign of just how poor a signing Mago has been that we’d even debate putting a 19 year old prop in ahead of him, at the same time as potentially having a 20 year old hooker and a 19 year old second rower. We need to buck the trend of the past 10-15 years and sign better props in the next off season.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:13 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Didn't Peacock start out as a SR?

Hill in our pack as it is feels desperate. I'd understand having him as 4th choice behind 3 quality props (As 4th behind Walmsley, Paasi and Lees for example) but with the run of form we've had and the injuries etc I'm not sure.

He did, and Burgess did also (I think?). Either way, they went into packs that were something like, not just thrown in when there was injuries.

I'm convinced we're no worse with Hill instead of Mago, with the potential for him to go well. Mago's ambling runs and upright wrestles play right into Wires hands. That's easy work for their big lads.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:13 pm  

ralvag wrote:

I've seen enough in Hill's attitude alone to have him in before Mago. At Saints he was better than Mago and at least had a proper go. Already I see Hill as less of a liability in defence too. Have we seen a single Mago performance since he came over where he really took it to the opposition? I just don't think he brings anything that Hill doesn't...maybe 1 or 2 big drives maximum a game, but very lazy defence.

As you say faith in him to step up dwindles very game...he's had enough chances for me. I think both for tomorrow & benefits in the long term it has to be Hill.

I could certainly be sold. I thought Hill played well at Saints and Mago was Mago. I read some talk that a team or two are interested in Mago for this season. If we could get a good replacement, it could really aid our chances of achieving anything.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:56 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I could certainly be sold. I thought Hill played well at Saints and Mago was Mago. I read some talk that a team or two are interested in Mago for this season. If we could get a good replacement, it could really aid our chances of achieving anything.

Just picking up this thread, last time Mago had any impact was Wakefield away in in last years QF!!!!

Its a tough one for Peet and Lam was criticised for throwing in Byrne/Havard/Parto but 2 of the three have worked out (Parto a near miss?)

The best way has been mentioned, play young forwards in a strong pack and don't wait until you have to throw them in.
Our recent way of playing also means we need 4 forwards on the bench, otherwise we get steamrolled and it limits other options. Hill is a very good prospect, with good hands and rugby instincts but a bit on the small side yet. There are a couple of bigger props in the Reserves who might be suited to promotion right now.

Re: Sqaud for Warrington : Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:20 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

It’s a sign of just how poor a signing Mago has been that we’d even debate putting a 19 year old prop in ahead of him, at the same time as potentially having a 20 year old hooker and a 19 year old second rower. We need to buck the trend of the past 10-15 years and sign better props in the next off season.

Well, yes, this. I think Hill is well worth persisting with, but we need better props. Where were we when Paasi, say, became available? And watching Saints today, it did strike me, what if we had two back-rowers like Sironen and Batchelor?