Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:56 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

So, by 'time to think' does he actually mean 'time to see if the England job actually appears'?

This is all pretty depressing.

He could be edging bets but I feel it's more likely he just wants out and is making the situation ugly and untenable since Wigan RL returned serve.
Until the holiday response support favoured SE...now that is unprofessional from him....if he'd have said directly to Wigan I'm on holiday and Wigan RL released that, I'd have said negotiations are back on track.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:19 pm  

IF as it now looks likely Edwards didn't sign a contract (otherwise why would he say it twice, as it can easily be refuted by the club):

1. Edwards can go and kindly F right off and never come near the club ever again - unforgivable to even think about reneging on a public commitment - signed or not.

2. The club have lied through their teeth to the fans. They should be grovelling to us when the next "statement" comes out, even that shouldn't be enough.

3. The club have been incompetent beyond belief in not getting a signature (IF what Edwards says is true) and that is the basis of the balls up now currently playing out in public.

Everybody involved comes out very badly in all this, Edwards, Lenegan and Radlinski. Edwards won't be near the club, thankfully, and it's the final straw for me with Radlinski, I certainly don't trust him with any future recruitment and the sooner he goes the better.

Hopefully Lenegan won't have the brass neck to ever again talk about how badly the RFL are run, at the moment Wigan RL make the RFL look like Apple Inc.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:53 pm  

How does this mess tie in with Wane leaving? Did he jump ship and then Edwards was approached or did he jump because Edwards was approached? Is this a symptom of a much bigger malaise at your club, evidenced by the behaviour of J Tomkins, the signing of ZH, and the release of Bateman and the phantom re signing clause.
This isn't trolling, I am genuinely baffled at the speed with which your club seems to be spiralling out of control.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:59 pm  

Rumour CH is he was thanks a lot but we're down 4k in fans since you took over and Joalgate is the driving force to part ways.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:05 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Rumour CH is he was thanks a lot but we're down 4k in fans since you took over and Joalgate is the driving force to part ways.

Absolute BS.

[Pemps]

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:05 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

IF as it now looks likely Edwards didn't sign a contract (otherwise why would he say it twice, as it can easily be refuted by the club):

1. Edwards can go and kindly F right off and never come near the club ever again - unforgivable to even think about reneging on a public commitment - signed or not.

2. The club have lied through their teeth to the fans. They should be grovelling to us when the next "statement" comes out, even that shouldn't be enough.

3. The club have been incompetent beyond belief in not getting a signature (IF what Edwards says is true) and that is the basis of the balls up now currently playing out in public.

Everybody involved comes out very badly in all this, Edwards, Lenegan and Radlinski. Edwards won't be near the club, thankfully, and it's the final straw for me with Radlinski, I certainly don't trust him with any future recruitment and the sooner he goes the better.

Hopefully Lenegan won't have the brass neck to ever again talk about how badly the RFL are run, at the moment Wigan RL make the RFL look like Apple Inc.

I listened to the BBC Rl podcast last night and this was the main talking point. Kev Brown was a guest and he said, in his opinion, that Kris Rads is an incredibly honest, trustworthy fella, as I think we all think/thought? KB's thinking was that if KR shook on it then he would expect that deal to happen because it's something he would abide by. I'm inclined to agree with this.
My thinking now is Rads has perhaps been incredibly naive about this and has shown a lack of experience in a business environment.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:21 pm  

Pemps wrote:

I listened to the BBC Rl podcast last night and this was the main talking point. Kev Brown was a guest and he said, in his opinion, that Kris Rads is an incredibly honest, trustworthy fella, as I think we all think/thought? KB's thinking was that if KR shook on it then he would expect that deal to happen because it's something he would abide by. I'm inclined to agree with this.
My thinking now is Rads has perhaps been incredibly naive about this and has shown a lack of experience in a business environment.

Sadly this is exactly my thought regarding Rads and I’ve saud this on several occasions prior to this.

He simply doesn’t have the experience to be the head of such a high profile brand especially when it’s stock is falling so quickly.

Let’s be honest. Regardless of the fault nobody on either side is getting out of this with any credit. We will never ever know the full story the only thing that is clear is that mistakes have been made and then compounded by both sides.

No matter what the eventual outcome it is another exercise in how to damage a club and fan base when attempting to do the exact opposite and maybe trying to be a bit too clever and cute especially with the fan base.

These scenarios are unfortunately becoming a bit too common and in the public domain for a not too long ago force on the world stage as a rugby brand.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:22 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

IF as it now looks likely Edwards didn't sign a contract (otherwise why would he say it twice, as it can easily be refuted by the club):

1. Edwards can go and kindly F right off and never come near the club ever again - unforgivable to even think about reneging on a public commitment - signed or not.

2. The club have lied through their teeth to the fans. They should be grovelling to us when the next "statement" comes out, even that shouldn't be enough.

3. The club have been incompetent beyond belief in not getting a signature (IF what Edwards says is true) and that is the basis of the balls up now currently playing out in public.

Everybody involved comes out very badly in all this, Edwards, Lenegan and Radlinski. Edwards won't be near the club, thankfully, and it's the final straw for me with Radlinski, I certainly don't trust him with any future recruitment and the sooner he goes the better.

Hopefully Lenegan won't have the brass neck to ever again talk about how badly the RFL are run, at the moment Wigan RL make the RFL look like Apple Inc.

Strong words here and I too was very angry until yesterday when I found out some details. I assure you that the chairman and Rad have acted entirely properly and when the full details come out I’m sure you’ll change your view. I’m bursting to say what I know but I gave my word. Just have faith, as hard as that might be.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:48 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Strong words here and I too was very angry until yesterday when I found out some details. I assure you that the chairman and Rad have acted entirely properly and when the full details come out I’m sure you’ll change your view. I’m bursting to say what I know but I gave my word. Just have faith, as hard as that might be.

“Entirely properly” is the bit that gets me worried.

There is “entirely properly” and there is getting it done.

Not often in business these 2 crossover.

I have no knowledge of the facts though so not in a position to judge.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:08 pm  

jonh wrote:

“Entirely properly” is the bit that gets me worried.

There is “entirely properly” and there is getting it done.

Not often in business these 2 crossover.

I have no knowledge of the facts though so not in a position to judge.

I know exactly what you mean mate but he’s been well and truly kneecapped on this. I was as angry as anybody and I believed our leadership to be in a state of shambles. I mentioned the perception of the fans and the potential impact on the club’s reputation and was corrected. The response was that the chairman cares more about the character of the club because character is what you actually are and perception is what people think you are. Mr Lenegan (and Rads) can hold their heads up high and look straight in the mirror to see integrity and professionalism. I’m genuinely proud to be a Wigan fan because of it. As I said yesterday, i only hope the full facts come out.