Re: Forward watch : Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:08 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There’s Havard as well and he eats the ground up, although there is something inside me that keeps wanting more from him (even though he’s playing pretty well). I do think Singleton is playing well tbh and Ellis is showing some really good signs. We’re in a funny position with the prop rotation really. Against the vast majority of sides it’s now winning the battle and that’s huge progress from 2021 but can they do that against Saints or Catalans packs? (more so Saints) I’m not too sure we will. What we need to keep doing is progressing, the young lads keep improving, the overseas props to get better as they settle and a guy like Singleton needs to keep pushing. It’s an area I’d still like to sign one more in but I do think that’s unlikely.

I'm just not sold on Singleton. I see the effort and, undoubtedly, he's having more impact than last season. I'm just seeing better output from much younger guys. Byrne and Ellis do, for the most part, what Singleton does, but better (maybe less confrontational granted). I just want more from our senior prop, who's now in the peak period of his career. Imagine how good we'd be if he had two Ellis's as an example.

Re: Forward watch : Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:58 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I'm just not sold on Singleton. I see the effort and, undoubtedly, he's having more impact than last season. I'm just seeing better output from much younger guys. Byrne and Ellis do, for the most part, what Singleton does, but better (maybe less confrontational granted). I just want more from our senior prop, who's now in the peak period of his career. Imagine how good we'd be if he had two Ellis's as an example.

He finished last season really strongly Singleton, which was over looked a little due to how poor we were. He then actually started this season quite slowly but he’s been playing well recently. He’s blown a bit hot and cold for me at times and there’s no way I’d sit here and say we shouldn’t keep looking for better players but he’s going pretty well overall.

I’m intrigued to see how Ellis goes this next couple of weeks. It’s these games we really need everyone to step up and show what they can do.

Re: Forward watch : Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:15 pm  

Singo looked to be playing bust at times last year and he started this season quite slowly but he is growing into the season and I really like how he has gone about his business of late. He was a big miss in the Salford game in my opinion.

He may not be the superstar in the rotation but he is as tough as they come, works his socks off has more experience and is the natural leader of the prop rotation.

In the current rotation he plays every week as far as I’m concerned.

Re: Forward watch : Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:49 pm  

Thought Singo was mom against Wakefield.
Had a great game.

Re: Forward watch : Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:50 pm  

Singo was our best player in our last champion season in 2017. Does all the small things that fans don’t notice. Letting him go was one of a list of terrible decisions we have made…

Re: Forward watch : Sat Apr 30, 2022 9:54 am  

Good efforts again last night-

Singleton
Carries-9 Metres-61 Tackles-16

Ellis
Carries-8 Metres-93 Tackles-24

Bateman
Carries-11 Metres-102 Tackles-24

Farrell
Carries-13 Metres-119 Tackles-26

Smithies
Carries-11 Metres-73. Tackles-36

Mago
Carries-9 Metres-73 Tackles-12

Havard
Carries-9. Metres-104 Tackles-24

Byrne
Carries-8 Metres-60 Tackles-15

Good metres per carry from everyone and a real team effort between the lot of them. They’ll need to raise a couple of levels next week, especially in the middle but they should feel confident after this last couple of weeks.

Re: Forward watch : Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:07 am  

Havard churning out over 100m every week even though he starts from the bench is remarkable.

Still think we need Ellis or Singleton to step up in attack a tiny bit more.

Re: Forward watch : Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:12 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Havard churning out over 100m every week even though he starts from the bench is remarkable.

Still think we need Ellis or Singleton to step up in attack a tiny bit more.

To be fair to Ellis he is only one carry off being 100+ himself in what probably wasn't one of his better games. He's been excellent this season (ban aside).

Good stats from all there. Byrne's don't do him full justice as he carried really strong into the teeth of the defense. He made the hard yards yesterday. Havard, has as been said often before, can be anything he wants.

Re: Forward watch : Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:20 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

To be fair to Ellis he is only one carry off being 100+ himself in what probably wasn't one of his better games. He's been excellent this season (ban aside).

Good stats from all there. Byrne's don't do him full justice as he carried really strong into the teeth of the defense. He made the hard yards yesterday. Havard, has as been said often before, can be anything he wants.

I love watching Byrne this season. He has no respect for his own safety in attack or defence and he’ll just get better as he gets older and keeps filling out.

I’d love to know how good Havard thinks he is himself. I’d be constantly telling that kid how good he can be at this game. He’s a freak but I watch him and even when churning out big numbers, I think he plays things safe at times. That’s not a criticism, he’s only young and everyone needs to build their confidence. He’s a fantastic player already but there is no ceiling on how good he can be.

Re: Forward watch : Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:05 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I love watching Byrne this season. He has no respect for his own safety in attack or defence and he’ll just get better as he gets older and keeps filling out.

I’d love to know how good Havard thinks he is himself. I’d be constantly telling that kid how good he can be at this game. He’s a freak but I watch him and even when churning out big numbers, I think he plays things safe at times. That’s not a criticism, he’s only young and everyone needs to build their confidence. He’s a fantastic player already but there is no ceiling on how good he can be.

Byrne is so massively improved this season as to be hardly recognisable as the same player. He takes the ball into the defence so strongly now and has also managed to eliminate the errors he was often prone to. It's hard to say "our best prop" so far as they've all been going well in their own ways but he's there or thereabouts. The improvement in them is very encouraging when you think that Havard, Byrne and Smithies are all still very young, especially for forwards. You wouldn't expect them to peak for another 4 or 5 years yet.

Havard is a machine. I know what you mean with regards to a feeling that there's more in reserve but I'm happy for him to keep churning out 100+ metres every week! We have a very good rotation in the making right now and you feel there's still much more to come.

Special mention for Mago here as he cops some flak over his minutes. As with Wakefield he showed exactly what he can do and how we should use him going forward. I don't think there's another prop in Superleague who can do what he can. Keep refining what he does and how we best use him and we have a tremendous asset and variation to our front row.