Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:47 am  

I'd rather see us dominate every week with a squad full of Brett Kennys than be forced into our current mediocrity.

Let's not pretend this cap has been a good thing. It's produced competitiveness at the expense of the proper teams aspirations. In no other walk of life would you keep or let yourself be held at a destitute level if you had the means or ambition to get out of it.

That's exactly what happens now. The have nots are wrongfully holding back the big guns because they know they can't compete. Well sadly that's life - we have more resources, more business acumen and a rich stream of new talent at our disposal.

These small minded few have held the game back long enough imo.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:20 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I'd rather see us dominate every week with a squad full of Brett Kennys than be forced into our current mediocrity.

Let's not pretend this cap has been a good thing. It's produced competitiveness at the expense the proper teams aspirations. In no other walk of life would you keep yourself or let yourself be held at a destitute level if you had the means or ambition to get out of it.

That's exactly what happens now. The have nots are wrongfully holding back the big guns because they know they can't compete. Well sadly that's life - we have more resources, more business acumen and a rich stream of new talent at our disposal.

Of course, every fan everywhere in every sport wants their team to dominate, but then there is reality.What do you think will fund this team of Brett Kenny's? Are you of the opinion that Wigan have millions salted away in the bank? Because we sure as hell won't get any funds through the gates we attract.

Do you think a team full of Brett Kenny's will have the crowds flooding back to watch the 'mediocrity' of Super League?

A quick glance at Bilko's site reveals that in Kenny's one season we averaged 10,000 fans. And all through the halcyon days that followed we never averaged the 16,000 that we got in 2011. (By the way there's a myth that Sam Tomkins' leaving affected our attendances - not true. They started to go down in his final season).

I'm afraid that the reality is - Wigan benefit just as much from the cap as the others do. The idea that the likes of Cas and Wakey are stopping us becoming some sort of world force is risible. Get real.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:47 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

Of course, every fan everywhere in every sport wants their team to dominate, but then there is reality.What do you think will fund this team of Brett Kenny's? Are you of the opinion that Wigan have millions salted away in the bank? Because we sure as hell won't get any funds through the gates we attract.

Do you think a team full of Brett Kenny's will have the crowds flooding back to watch the 'mediocrity' of Super League?

A quick glance at Bilko's site reveals that in Kenny's one season we averaged 10,000 fans. And all through the halcyon days that followed we never averaged the 16,000 that we got in 2011. (By the way there's a myth that Sam Tomkins' leaving affected our attendances - not true. They started to go down in his final season).

I'm afraid that the reality is - Wigan benefit just as much from the cap as the others do. The idea that the likes of Cas and Wakey are stopping us becoming some sort of world force is risible. Get real.

We were a global force in the pre cap era so why couldn't that happen again? Stop selling the club so short and saying things can't be done. We have after all seen some true history defining days in Cherry and White that others said couldn't be done. The potential for this club is unparalleled in the British game. .

There's plenty of benefits and extra revenue streams that are closed off by the cap that could be opened up again (free accommodation, 3rd party payments, image rights etc). You only need the inclusion of three/four top draw players into this side for us to play against anyone without fear.

BTW this just isn't Wigan blinkers either. I'd be happy if someone like the Dr had the balls/vision to want to create something truly special like we did in the 80's.

You've also yet to answer my question why should anyone be allowed to stop him?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:56 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

You've also yet to answer my question why should anyone be allowed to stop him?

You know why. As you alluded to earlier. We fundamentally disagree. You believe in unfettered capitalism, the rule of the free market. I believe in financial constraint for the good of all (I'm exaggerating for the purpose of simplicity - we probably agree on quite a few things).

I think we'll have to agree to differ about the cap. And I guess from the tone of the the thread that most people agree with you - I'll live with that.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:01 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

You know why. As you alluded to earlier. We fundamentally disagree. You believe in unfettered capitalism, the rule of the free market. I believe in financial constraint for the good of all (I'm exaggerating for the purpose of simplicity - we probably agree on quite a few things).

I think we'll have to agree to differ about the cap. And I guess from the tone of the the thread that most people agree with you - I'll live with that.

like bradford and celtic?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:15 pm  

Ahhh socialism.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:05 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

We were a global force in the pre cap era so why couldn't that happen again?

Aren't we currently renting a football stadium because our business model from them days was unsustainable?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:10 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

Aren't we currently renting a football stadium because our business model from them days was unsustainable?

NO

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:23 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

Aren't we currently renting a football stadium because our business model from them days was unsustainable?

It obviously played it's part but it's obvious that if you spend more than you have things will eventually go wrong.

That being said I think it was more misjudgement/ mismanagement from Wigan. We arguably went too far imo. There were decisions taken such as the signing of Offiah when we already had an adequate player in Myers being a prime example of how not to do it.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:51 pm  

Having to cover the cost of a collapsing derelict coal mine also had something to do with it.