Re: Toby King 2023 : Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:01 pm  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

John, can i ask you (without you disclosing your source) as to why you are so confident Wardle has signed. Iv'e never seen you so confident that a player has signed for us before but you seem adamant.

I’ve been told by several different sources all of whom are credible and all from different areas of his life.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:07 pm  

jonh wrote:

I’ve been told by several different sources all of whom are credible and all from different areas of his life.

Ones not Dan is it?haha

Re: Toby King 2023 : Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:08 pm  

bazdev wrote:

I don't see us signing Wardle as well which is pretty underwhelming if true. You would have to think Wardle will stay at Wire

Why would you think that?
Surely he will just come back to Huddersfield- his parent club where he is still contracted for next season!!!!
The only reason he was loaned out in the first place is because leutele was the in form centre in the comp and Leroy and Jerry are such a good partnership together. Wardle wasn’t getting the game time he wanted in a World Cup season and so was loaned to wire to get game time. It wasn’t expected king would feature much at centre, perhaps cover at second row. Ironically the week the deal was struck leutele was injured in an off the ball incident, if wardle had hung on a week he’d have been playing in a top 3 side instead of a bottom three side.
Perhaps it’s taught him some patience.
If he has signed for you He’s shown poor form given how we looked after him when he was injured for two years.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:20 pm  

jools wrote:

Why would you think that?
Surely he will just come back to Huddersfield- his parent club where he is still contracted for next season!!!!
The only reason he was loaned out in the first place is because leutele was the in form centre in the comp and Leroy and Jerry are such a good partnership together. Wardle wasn’t getting the game time he wanted in a World Cup season and so was loaned to wire to get game time. It wasn’t expected king would feature much at centre, perhaps cover at second row. Ironically the week the deal was struck leutele was injured in an off the ball incident, if wardle had hung on a week he’d have been playing in a top 3 side instead of a bottom three side.
Perhaps it’s taught him some patience.
If he has signed for you He’s shown poor form given how we looked after him when he was injured for two years.

I don't think the poster is on their own thinking that, maybe a rumour but folk think Wardle has a problem with the coaching staff at Huddersfield - if this is off the mark then fair point.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:38 pm  

jools wrote:

Why would you think that?
Surely he will just come back to Huddersfield- his parent club where he is still contracted for next season!!!!
The only reason he was loaned out in the first place is because leutele was the in form centre in the comp and Leroy and Jerry are such a good partnership together. Wardle wasn’t getting the game time he wanted in a World Cup season and so was loaned to wire to get game time. It wasn’t expected king would feature much at centre, perhaps cover at second row. Ironically the week the deal was struck leutele was injured in an off the ball incident, if wardle had hung on a week he’d have been playing in a top 3 side instead of a bottom three side.
Perhaps it’s taught him some patience.
If he has signed for you He’s shown poor form given how we looked after him when he was injured for two years.

Wardle and Watson don’t see eye to eye on his position and the side of field he should play on.

The relationship has totally broken down.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:46 am  

jools wrote:

Why would you think that?
Surely he will just come back to Huddersfield- his parent club where he is still contracted for next season!!!!
The only reason he was loaned out in the first place is because leutele was the in form centre in the comp and Leroy and Jerry are such a good partnership together. Wardle wasn’t getting the game time he wanted in a World Cup season and so was loaned to wire to get game time. It wasn’t expected king would feature much at centre, perhaps cover at second row. Ironically the week the deal was struck leutele was injured in an off the ball incident, if wardle had hung on a week he’d have been playing in a top 3 side instead of a bottom three side.
Perhaps it’s taught him some patience.
If he has signed for you He’s shown poor form given how we looked after him when he was injured for two years.

If you are going to be a side that challenges, you will have to get used to that. Look at the players we lose to the NRL every season. We are just higher up the food chain than Huddersfield, the NRL uses Wigan as it's hunting ground.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:15 am  

The usual criticism of a signing before he even pulls on a shirt I see. Have we found our scapegoat for 2023? Nobody has any idea how he will go for us and there are plenty of examples in history where you think one thing will happen with a signing and it's the absolute opposite.

The loan deal is strange in that it's not done often, but if Wire want him out and we feel he may do well then why would we not be in for him? I don't see him playing for Wire again unless major changes happen there and I suspect we will have the first chance at signing him permanent after this loan. Clubs don't let players rot away in a SC sport.

Rather than look at why we would take a player from Warrington on loan and send him back a better player etc...why would they send a player on loan to Wigan and possibly improve Wigan? They thought highly enough of him to offer him a mega deal and suddenly he's off to the horrible club down the road on loan. More to that than some are seeing definitely.

*Removes cherry and white specs and changes out of WRL pyjamas.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:27 am  

Zig wrote:

Assuming Wardle signs, and I know you are 100% confident of that, who plays right centre given they both play on the left?

I didn’t realise until today Wire shifted King from his natural side on the right to the left side at the start of the 21 season
. Prior to that he had predominantly been a right sided player only very occasionally playing on the left usually covering for injuries.

It’s interesting to note the criticism of his impact started in 21, which coincided with his move out of his natural position and just after he signed this big contract that seems to be attributed to some for his loss of form.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:49 am  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

If you are going to be a side that challenges, you will have to get used to that. Look at the players we lose to the NRL every season. We are just higher up the food chain than Huddersfield, the NRL uses Wigan as it's hunting ground.

I have no issue with players moving on- it’s a short career- but they can at least do us the service of seeing out their current contract first without crying they aren’t getting picked! Wardle didn’t play for over two years, other clubs would have dumped an academy player in that situation, we didn’t, we gave him a contract whilst he was injured to enable him to continue his rehab, and then another at the end.
The reason he hasn’t played much this season is because he got injured (yet again) and someone else took the shirt. He was given the chance to shine in another position and didn’t take it. If what you say is true about the fall out then that’s down to him and his attitude so again poor form.
Contrast to pryce who has been the name on everyone’s lips, hasn’t been getting picked, including missing out on the final etc and has had offers but is doing the decent thing by seeing out his contract next season before moving on.

Re: Toby King 2023 : Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:10 am  

jools wrote:

I have no issue with players moving on- it’s a short career- but they can at least do us the service of seeing out their current contract first without crying they aren’t getting picked! Wardle didn’t play for over two years, other clubs would have dumped an academy player in that situation, we didn’t, we gave him a contract whilst he was injured to enable him to continue his rehab, and then another at the end.
The reason he hasn’t played much this season is because he got injured (yet again) and someone else took the shirt. He was given the chance to shine in another position and didn’t take it. If what you say is true about the fall out then that’s down to him and his attitude so again poor form.
Contrast to pryce who has been the name on everyone’s lips, hasn’t been getting picked, including missing out on the final etc and has had offers but is doing the decent thing by seeing out his contract next season before moving on.

He wasn’t an academy player though. He was a first team player at the age of 18 and anyone that had seen him as a junior knew the potential he had.

Let’s not pretend Huddersfield we’re giving a kid a contract out of the goodness of their heart. They were signing him up despite injury because of his undoubted potential and in the knowledge if they didn’t and let him go someone else would sign him if he became available.

I know the reason as to why he has fallen out with Watson, but I’m shocked it has lead to his departure from the club. Maybe it’s Watson trying to set an example in the same way Powell has at Wire which have resulted in some departures.