Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:23 am  

post wrote:

Why do posters on here when faced with a different opinion have to discredit the opinion with either daft replies or justify the clubs decision with an example of when the club got it right.

You say Escare, Hankinson (Who I didnt rate at all) and Hamlin, I'll raise you Sam Tomkins, Jack Hughes, McIllorum, Ben Currie, Josh Charnley, Joel Tomkins, Gil Dudson, Lee Mossop, Dan Sarginson.

All of them picked for England after they'd left Wigan.

What about Andy Ackers, has he every been at Wigan? Is he a Wigan lad?

Not great examples

Wigan had no option to keep Sam after 2018, his mind was made up for a new challenge.

Is anyone disappointed Jack Hughes hasn’t been playing for Wigan ?

Dudson and Mossop had gone stale at Wigan and needed fresh starts to reach higher leaves. Neither have played for England since .

Wigan had Burgess, Marshall, Davies and Manfredi when Charnley returned - one good year at Wire and they couldn’t wait to get rid of him. Not played for England since.

Currie was never near the Wigan first team.

Sarginson has had the odd good spell for Salford but injury issued.

McIlorum left at the right time IMO

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:35 am  

post wrote:

Why do posters on here when faced with a different opinion have to discredit the opinion with either daft replies or justify the clubs decision with an example of when the club got it right.

You say Escare, Hankinson (Who I didnt rate at all) and Hamlin, I'll raise you Sam Tomkins, Jack Hughes, McIllorum, Ben Currie, Josh Charnley, Joel Tomkins, Gil Dudson, Lee Mossop, Dan Sarginson.

All of them picked for England after they'd left Wigan.

What about Andy Ackers, has he every been at Wigan? Is he a Wigan lad?

To be honest mate that happens at every club.

We let Briers leave in 97 when Goulding was the best 7 in the comp. Look at the career that Briers went on to have. Similarly at a lower level the likes of Matty Ashurst has had a great career at Wakefield. He was a St Helens lad in our Academy.

You can't keep everyone.

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:09 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Hudds also wanted King, so it stands to reason we could have moved aside for them.

The Wardle deal was wrapped up months ago. They already had Halsall signed up long before we signed up King.

I think the fall out between Wire and Hudds a few months ago with both coaches having a public pop at each other’s clubs ensured Wardle would not be joining Hudds.

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:12 am  

post wrote:

Define 'bite us'. What I mean is they could be at least solid first team players.

Ben Currie and Ollie Russell spring to mind and did Matty Lees have a spell in the academy?

You watch the reserves and academy, tell me McDonnell, Nicolson, Halsall and Bibby are not 4 stand out players at that level.

Ben Currie never played for Wigan academy, Olly Russell along with Josh Wood were the slowest halfbacks I've ever seen at academy level at Wigan. He is twenty four and has only managed thirty games at 1st team level since 2018.

Matty Lees never played for Wigan but they and particularly Matty Peet rate(d) him highly. McDonnell and Halsall were very good at academy level (stand out I'm not sure). I would have taken Josh Simm from Saints before him
Bibby was behind Hill and Wood IMO at that level.
NIcholson is a big loss IMO, but if you look at it from his perspective he had Farrell, Bateman, Smithies and Isa in front of him with Nsemba pushing through.

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:15 pm  

post wrote:

Why do posters on here when faced with a different opinion have to discredit the opinion with either daft replies or justify the clubs decision with an example of when the club got it right.

You say Escare, Hankinson (Who I didnt rate at all) and Hamlin, I'll raise you Sam Tomkins, Jack Hughes, McIllorum, Ben Currie, Josh Charnley, Joel Tomkins, Gil Dudson, Lee Mossop, Dan Sarginson.

All of them picked for England after they'd left Wigan.

What about Andy Ackers, has he every been at Wigan? Is he a Wigan lad?

Are you moving the goal posts here?

The conversation is around letting young / academy players go but most of the list above were not in this category when they left?

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:39 pm  

NSW wrote:

Dudson and Mossop had gone stale at Wigan and needed fresh starts to reach higher leaves. Neither have played for England since

One of them isn't even English

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:13 pm  

I struggle to believe any Wigan fan is pining over Jack Hughes and Gil Dudson.

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:17 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

I struggle to believe any Wigan fan is pining over Jack Hughes and Gil Dudson.

It is stretching the boundaries somewhat

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:24 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

I struggle to believe any Wigan fan is pining over Jack Hughes and Gil Dudson.

This season? Definitely not, but Dudson has actually been quite good over the last 3 or 4 years. Played a part in both Salford and Cats getting to the GF. All at the same time we had to endure a power puff pack that he'd have strolled into.

Re: Sam Halsall : Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:29 pm  

Over the years yes we have let some players go who the fans wanted to play first team, I remember a lot of fans wanting Nicky Stanton to play because he was knocking over goals left right and centre but he was about 5ft tall and 3 stone wet through.

I really believe James McDonnell will be a Mick Cassidy type player and could have replaced Isa, Nicolson could have been a Gilmour style of back rower, Halsall was a bit laid back and relaxed but had bags of pace and oozed class as a centre, the best centre I've ever seen us produce IMO.

But yeah, like posters have said, they'd all just be another Mark Cannon, or Shaun Ainscough or Ryan Hampshire.

To be honest Rogues you've long been a champion of the reserves/academy lads I'm suprised you've not backed me up on this.