Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:46 pm  

There is more to it than just Rads signing the players. Jukesays explained it on here that it’s a decision that is made between various people, including the coaching staff, Waney, Rads and Lenagan. I recall when Mago and Ellis came in that Matty Peet himself said he had spent time scouting them.

I don’t think the forwards are a massive issue when they’re all fit. The attitude has been the issue more often than not this season. They showed everyone the level they can reach in that Leigh, Saints and Wire run but we have been so far off that before and after it and there has just been a total lack of intensity. I’m confident we’ll have had a good season when all is said and done in October. I think we’re holding plenty back tbh.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:50 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There is more to it than just Rads signing the players. Jukesays explained it on here that it’s a decision that is made between various people, including the coaching staff, Waney, Rads and Lenagan. I recall when Mago and Ellis came in that Matty Peet himself said he had spent time scouting them.

They went into great detail at the first fans forum post COVID about it and that's the jist of it. The whole coaching setup is included in decisions with their own input.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:01 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There is more to it than just Rads signing the players. Jukesays explained it on here that it’s a decision that is made between various people, including the coaching staff, Waney, Rads and Lenagan. I recall when Mago and Ellis came in that Matty Peet himself said he had spent time scouting them.

I acknowledged it will be a joint decision making process in my post but the point remains that Rads is the consistent figure across three different coaches. And unlike the coaches, recruitment and retention should be his main involvement in the performance of the first team.

Putting aside the finger of blame, the fact is Wigan as an organisation have recruited too many forwards who ultimately have been disappointing.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:20 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

I acknowledged it will be a joint decision making process in my post but the point remains that Rads is the consistent figure across three different coaches. And unlike the coaches, recruitment and retention should be his main involvement in the performance of the first team.

Putting aside the finger of blame, the fact is Wigan as an organisation have recruited too many forwards who ultimately have been disappointing.

I don't know how much say Rads has in the actual player. Sounded to me like he is just there to ensure said player fits under the cap.

Lam for example chose to sign Sammut and almost demanded we did against the rest of the panels choices. Then he didn't pick him and instead picked players he was told weren't fit (hence my post about Jai and the different regime)

Ultimately, the coaching staff pick the players based on how they want us to play.

Our problem yesterday again was the amount of errors we made and ball we coughed up to a big pack.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:47 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

As I said earlier in the thread (or on another one) we need prop forwards and SRs. Unless they also kick goals then it isn't something we should recruit for.

Imagine if we pulled Owen Farrell out of the bag for next season. Now that would solve things for the short term.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:04 pm  

MattyB wrote:

Imagine if we pulled Owen Farrell out of the bag for next season. Now that would solve things for the short term.

I keep saying about OF that I'm not sure what he brings apart from kicking, but I think he'd make a great 13 in this current side.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:00 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There is more to it than just Rads signing the players. Jukesays explained it on here that it’s a decision that is made between various people, including the coaching staff, Waney, Rads and Lenagan. I recall when Mago and Ellis came in that Matty Peet himself said he had spent time scouting them.

I don’t think the forwards are a massive issue when they’re all fit. The attitude has been the issue more often than not this season. They showed everyone the level they can reach in that Leigh, Saints and Wire run but we have been so far off that before and after it and there has just been a total lack of intensity. I’m confident we’ll have had a good season when all is said and done in October. I think we’re holding plenty back tbh.

Peet told me that he enjoys watching the NRL around Origin time as more squad players get a chance to play, players who would be available for SL.

So he’s involved in scouting.

Re: Goal Kicking : Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:50 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There is more to it than just Rads signing the players. Jukesays explained it on here that it’s a decision that is made between various people, including the coaching staff, Waney, Rads and Lenagan. I recall when Mago and Ellis came in that Matty Peet himself said he had spent time scouting them.

I don’t think the forwards are a massive issue when they’re all fit. The attitude has been the issue more often than not this season. They showed everyone the level they can reach in that Leigh, Saints and Wire run but we have been so far off that before and after it and there has just been a total lack of intensity. I’m confident we’ll have had a good season when all is said and done in October. I think we’re holding plenty back tbh.

I think that our biggest problems are an unbalanced squad and lack of experience in key areas.
We’ve got no really experienced HB. Hampshire is a fill in. Never in a month of Sundays will he a starting HB. As a FB he’s a liability.
Apart form Farrell no other real quality in the backrow.
I don’t particularly like using backs for hard yards as it covers ineffective forwards.
Cust, Field, Mago, Miski French and Ellis are all limited in terms of really good nrl experience. I love watching Field and French but without a good platform they cant deliver on a regular basis against well coached teams.
Walters isn’t the answer in terms of improving a weak front row. Better than Mago but nothing spectacular.
We need at least 3 really good experienced forwards to to make us competitive.
I think Powell only retains his place due to lack of experience elsewhere in the squad. For me he only keeps his place due to his experience.
Forber will be become our first choice 9 by 2024 at the latest.
Any thoughts of of a GF win for me are totally delusional.
Despite that negative rhetoric I’m still confident that if we can sign 3 experienced decent forwards we won’t be too far away in 2024.

Re: Goal Kicking : Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:15 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think the goal kicking is hurting his general game, I really do. He isn’t good enough at goal kicking for us to need to let that happen. There’s no history of him having seasons at 80-85%, so you’re not patiently waiting for something to come back, you’re praying he not only starts to improve in the short term but that he actually gets better at it in general and there are no signs of that.

No way I’d take him out of the team but I’d be telling Wardle he’s taking it on from next week and to be putting in the extra practice.

You mean no history apart from last year?

Re: Goal Kicking : Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:35 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I think that our biggest problems are an unbalanced squad and lack of experience in key areas.
We’ve got no really experienced HB. Hampshire is a fill in. Never in a month of Sundays will he a starting HB. As a FB he’s a liability.
Apart form Farrell no other real quality in the backrow.
I don’t particularly like using backs for hard yards as it covers ineffective forwards.
Cust, Field, Mago, Miski French and Ellis are all limited in terms of really good nrl experience. I love watching Field and French but without a good platform they cant deliver on a regular basis against well coached teams.
Walters isn’t the answer in terms of improving a weak front row. Better than Mago but nothing spectacular.
We need at least 3 really good experienced forwards to to make us competitive.
I think Powell only retains his place due to lack of experience elsewhere in the squad. For me he only keeps his place due to his experience.
Forber will be become our first choice 9 by 2024 at the latest.
Any thoughts of of a GF win for me are totally delusional.
Despite that negative rhetoric I’m still confident that if we can sign 3 experienced decent forwards we won’t be too far away in 2024.

I agree with most of the statement, but there seems to be an issue with the backs taking runs out of defence, I cant think of a recent successful team in the NRL that didnt have backs that laid the platform from defence to attack. Yesterday the commentators were admiring the Panthers backs efforts and noted that the pack only came into effect on around the fourth tackle when they were coming out of their half.