Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:40 am  

Stu M wrote:

In a lot of ways Leigh is a good game for Wigan- if Leigh approach it as they did a couple of weeks ago when we played them. You would like to think that Lam will want to get one over his old employers. Wigan need an intense game though, they've coasted through the last few games and haven't been tested. Even the game in France was a walk in the park.

A couple of fans on here have mocked our attack and its true there doesn't seem to be many points in us and we have been definitely clunky. However when you defend like we do we are bloody hard to score against as evidenced by only conceding two tries in the last two games despite Leigh and Warrington throwing a lot at us.

I've mentioned this before but at this time of the season the conditions change and when its wet and windy its about completing sets and turning the ball over as close as you can to the opposition line and then defending with great line speed to force errors. Thats what we have done over the last couple of weeks and Wellens last line in his Sky interview last Friday was noteworthy- "we are play off ready"

Wigan may need a good hit out at a higher intensity.....

You're spot on. Essentially it is a play off game for us. Best case scenario is a close, hard fought win with the hubcap secured, then a week off to recharge.

Regarding Saints, they are there already with intensity but what I will say is that they aren't defending as well as was made out on Friday. Leigh a few weeks back and Wire last week spurned a few opportunities (Makinson intercept & Wrench break). They can't afford to do that v Catalans or Wigan. Yes, they're scrambling well but I can't see better sides letting them off the hook.

I still think you'll be in the GF, I'd even say I'm most confident about Saints being at Old Trafford than any other side.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:05 am  

LewCharnock wrote:

You're spot on. Essentially it is a play off game for us. Best case scenario is a close, hard fought win with the hubcap secured, then a week off to recharge.

Regarding Saints, they are there already with intensity but what I will say is that they aren't defending as well as was made out on Friday. Leigh a few weeks back and Wire last week spurned a few opportunities (Makinson intercept & Wrench break). They can't afford to do that v Catalans or Wigan. Yes, they're scrambling well but I can't see better sides letting them off the hook.

I still think you'll be in the GF, I'd even say I'm most confident about Saints being at Old Trafford than any other side.

Yeah I agree with you in that we got some luck too. The constant changes in the backline aren't helping but its clear that any team with pace will cause us big problems. Wigan are my biggest worry given their pace across the whole backline and in particular French and Field. We've gone from being "the entertainers" and needing dry weather to win comps to now being a team that performs well in wet weather a la Leeds 07-09 when Sinfield used to kick us to death in those Grand Finals.

I have a sneaky feeling that this year may be one year too far for us and we could come unstuck in France. Finishing 2nd would change that of course but its still all about who is fit come the play offs and an injury or two to any of the key players across all 6 teams could massively influence things.

Incidentally those two bell ringers from Welsby that saved tries on Friday weren't too shabby from someone who apparently can't defend

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:20 pm  

BoredWiganer wrote:

The sell out is looking likely mate. We are onto our final allocation which can only be purchased online now for the East and i imagine will go quickly. You guys have posted north sold out and last comment on west was 200 left so can't be many there either. No comment on East from your end, but must be confident of filling it if we are being offered no more.

Should be a great night.

Its sold out. The last 26 tickets went this morning. A real pity that the stadium will have a reduced capacity due to the entertainment and the reserved seating for the South Stand. In Hindsight, should be reserved !

Still, not bad for a little Pit Village Bus Stop, but lets hope we give you a game and give you plenty to think about. You cant beat a Leigh / Wigan Derby with a full house and a bit of needle !!

Good luck.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:29 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Just as I believe Saints have every chance of finishing third and winning their first play off game, then away in Catalans and then a Grand Final, I also think we are capable of doing that.

There is absolutely no question thst both Saints and Wigan could do that. I still think that when it really ramps up, both will have too much for Catalans.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:31 pm  

LewCharnock wrote:

Regarding Saints, they are there already with intensity but what I will say is that they aren't defending as well as was made out on Friday. Leigh a few weeks back and Wire last week spurned a few opportunities (Makinson intercept & Wrench break).

I agree Wire left points out there and a better side would have taken advantage of some of the opportunties they comically bodged.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:16 pm  

St Helens have been playing at play off intensity for a couple of weeks now. Part of me thinks that puts them at an advantage in the play offs, I’m also hoping they burn out (can’t see it though)

I was fearing this game v Leigh but agree with a lot of comments. It’s exactly what we need.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:46 pm  

Hopefully we'll turn up on Friday with the same attitude we had against Cats and Leeds for that matter, if we do and Leigh turn us over then fair play to them

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:52 pm  

Trainman wrote:

St Helens have been playing at play off intensity for a couple of weeks now. Part of me thinks that puts them at an advantage in the play offs, I’m also hoping they burn out (can’t see it though)

I was fearing this game v Leigh but agree with a lot of comments. It’s exactly what we need.

ATEOTD, there has to come a time when it doesn't matter if Saints are "in playoff form", gearing up for another title tilt or whatever else people want to say.

If we're going to be successful, then WE need to find a way to win. We need to be playing playoff footy etc. Catalan away was us putting a marker down and, quite simply, going to Leigh and wrapping up the LLS, with all the benefits it brings, has to be another.

To be frank, over the last few years I'd say we've choked more than we've delivered. We now need to start delivering.

It's as simple as that.

Re: Where will we finish? : Mon Sep 18, 2023 7:48 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Hopefully we'll turn up on Friday with the same attitude we had against Cats and Leeds for that matter, if we do and Leigh turn us over then fair play to them

Our defence recently has been extremely good. We've either nulled teams or kept them to the odd try. If we can do this against Leigh by keeping them to 1-2 tries then we can remain vonfident.

That said, weather this week looks pretty crap I think, so a wet pitch could turn the game into an arm wrestle and ultimately a closer scoreline.

Re: Where will we finish? : Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:57 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

ATEOTD, there has to come a time when it doesn't matter if Saints are "in playoff form", gearing up for another title tilt or whatever else people want to say.

If we're going to be successful, then WE need to find a way to win. We need to be playing playoff footy etc. Catalan away was us putting a marker down and, quite simply, going to Leigh and wrapping up the LLS, with all the benefits it brings, has to be another.

To be frank, over the last few years I'd say we've choked more than we've delivered. We now need to start delivering.

It's as simple as that.

I think in recent years we haven’t choked but we were just not good enough. Earlier in season I thought we had very little chance of winning the GF. Now I think we may have a chance but still think Saints will land the GF honours because they have shown repeatedly that they can deliver when the pressure is on and because they have the better and more experienced players in playoffs.
If we beat Leyth on Friday then maybe we are maturing as a team and we may possibly go on to land the GF. If we lose then we probably have to beat Wire, Saints/Catalan and Catalan/Saints in 3 consecutive weeks and I think that will be beyond us even if we don’t get anymore injuries or suspensions.
I’m a little worried how French will perform when the intensity reaches much higher levels and for me Mago still isn’t good enough or potentially fit enough when he comes up against Saints or Catalan when it’s hey lads hey.
On the plus side Smith is by some margin the best playmaker in competition, Field looks particularly good at the moment and confidence within the club must be exceptionally high at the moment.

Hopefully I’m underestimating where we are as a squad but I still think that we might fall short when it really counts. Maybe the losses at Wakefield, Newcastle and the CCSF are blurring my thoughts too much and maybe we really have turned the corner.