Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:00 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

.What I still don't understand why the rule that you're not allowed to hit a player in the head isn't good enough already. Head injuries are the sole problem here, and they've already already been legislated against.

The Chris Brookes article says that "a trial of lower tackle heights reduced concussion rates from 25 per 1,000 tackles to 22."

I don't know how many concussions are deemed safe, but it seems that those who study brain injuries feel that this reduction in concussions makes the new rule a worthwhile step.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:04 pm  

--[ WW ]-- wrote:

The Chris Brookes article says that "a trial of lower tackle heights reduced concussion rates from 25 per 1,000 tackles to 22."

I don't know how many concussions are deemed safe, but it seems that those who study brain injuries feel that this reduction in concussions makes the new rule a worthwhile step.

Worthwhile seeing off the game for?

I guess we all have different priorities.

When I was a kid, I broke my leg in a school game. I remember the doctor in the Casualty area saying: "If I had my way, they'd ban rugby."

That's what this boils down to.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:36 pm  

My daughter dislocated her elbow when she was 7 trampolining (training) stopped after that,she made that choice.Are we to ban trampolining if you bounce higher than 3ft.
According to the doctor it is the worst sport for injuries to kids.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:39 am  

taking it away from RL for a minute
just seen a clip on facebook of a RU game from the weekend

line out, blue player gets lifted, and drops onto the white team player. Penalty and sent to the sin bin for 10

dangerous play - how can the lifted player get sent off - he is being controlled by 2 players lifting him?? I get that he landed on top of someone and its a penalty, but surely it would be one of the lifters at fault?

And, onto the next debate, are RU going to get rid of lineouts if there are dangers to players

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:12 am  

Cruncher wrote:

Worthwhile seeing off the game for?

I guess we all have different priorities.

When I was a kid, I broke my leg in a school game. I remember the doctor in the Casualty area saying: "If I had my way, they'd ban rugby."

That's what this boils down to.

Firstly, I don't see how this sees off the game. Players need to tackle a bit lower, 4 inches or so. I don't see how that will ruin my enjoyment of the sport. In days gone by, when the people complaining presumably still enjoyed rugby, tackling lower was much more common anyway.

Secondly, brain injuries are different to broken bones and pulled muscles. A broken bone will heal in the vast majority of circumstances. A broken brain will not. And even in the worst cases of physical injuries where someone might have a permanent disability I'd still choose that over dementia

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:56 am  

--[ WW ]-- wrote:

Firstly, I don't see how this sees off the game. Players need to tackle a bit lower, 4 inches or so. I don't see how that will ruin my enjoyment of the sport. In days gone by, when the people complaining presumably still enjoyed rugby, tackling lower was much more common anyway.

Secondly, brain injuries are different to broken bones and pulled muscles. A broken bone will heal in the vast majority of circumstances. A broken brain will not. And even in the worst cases of physical injuries where someone might have a permanent disability I'd still choose that over dementia

This is pretty much my stance.

I don’t like the new rules but I think they could be a lot worse.

I don’t see how they will ruin the game although initially we need to accept there will be an increase in penalties through a natural transition process.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:10 am  

If doctors had their way they wouldn't just outlaw boxing and rugby, they would outlaw motor racing, rock climbing, surfing, paragliding etc etc ... anything with a modicum of risk.

The people who participate in these activities know the dangers they face.

Those players currently arguing that they didn't know are bare-faced liars, being encouraged to tell these ridiculous lies by the blood-sucking lawyers currently rubbing their hands with glee at the whole new world of big-time earning opening up in front of them.

We need to call them out. Because anyone who thinks this is going to stop at 'broken brains' can think again. Once they've exhausted the brain injuries, they'll start looking at kidney damage, busted hips and knees etc. They'll find plenty of useful idiot doctors to assist, and it will go on forever until there's nothing left of us.

Unless the game makes a stand now.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:22 am  

Cruncher wrote:

If doctors had their way they wouldn't just outlaw boxing and rugby, they would outlaw motor racing, rock climbing, surfing, paragliding etc etc ... anything with a modicum of risk.

The people who participate in these activities know the dangers they face.

Those players currently arguing that they didn't know are bare-faced liars, being encouraged to tell these ridiculous lies by the blood-sucking lawyers currently rubbing their hands with glee at the whole new world of big-time earning opening up in front of them.

We need to call them out. Because anyone who thinks this is going to stop at 'broken brains' can think again. Once they've exhausted the brain injuries, they'll start looking at kidney damage, busted hips and knees etc. They'll find plenty of useful idiot doctors to assist, and it will go on forever until there's nothing left of us.

Unless the game makes a stand now.

If the game makes a stand…it will lose.

It’s that simple.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:28 am  

jonh wrote:

This is pretty much my stance.

I don’t like the new rules but I think they could be a lot worse.

I don’t see how they will ruin the game although initially we need to accept there will be an increase in penalties through a natural transition process.

I don’t think that anyone has mentioned limited minutes yet? Apologies if someone has.
Using Harry Smith as a back example he cannot play more than 30 full games per year ie 2400 minutes per year.
Even assuming zero internationals, he won’t be able to play all possible games assuming we get to the CCF and GF.
What will the club do in 2025 when there is a planned tour of Australia? Assume that Smith will play 3 games in Australia and limit his game time for Wigan to 27 full games?
Could this be the end of internationals and/or the World Cup for English players?
Liam Farrell for example will be limited to 25 full games per year so I assume that he retire from international rugby as potentially most forwards will going forward.
Obviously this may lead to most teams having a “back” on the bench to reduce the number of 80 minutes games played but would say Leeming be “accepted” as back substitute for game A if he replaces Smith but a forward substitute if he say replaces O’Neil?
If player welfare is now paramount then why continue with meaningless loop fixtures and the even more preposterous Magic Weekend?
Obviously Jon questions not just aimed at yourself.

Re: Safer Rugby League from 2024 : Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:45 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I don’t think that anyone has mentioned limited minutes yet? Apologies if someone has.
Using Harry Smith as a back example he cannot play more than 30 full games per year ie 2400 minutes per year.
Even assuming zero internationals, he won’t be able to play all possible games assuming we get to the CCF and GF.
What will the club do in 2025 when there is a planned tour of Australia? Assume that Smith will play 3 games in Australia and limit his game time for Wigan to 27 full games?
Could this be the end of internationals and/or the World Cup for English players?
Liam Farrell for example will be limited to 25 full games per year so I assume that he retire from international rugby as potentially most forwards will going forward.
Obviously this may lead to most teams having a “back” on the bench to reduce the number of 80 minutes games played but would say Leeming be “accepted” as back substitute for game A if he replaces Smith but a forward substitute if he say replaces O’Neil?
If player welfare is now paramount then why continue with meaningless loop fixtures and the even more preposterous Magic Weekend?
Obviously Jon questions not just aimed at yourself.

Internationals and finals can be used in credit I believe as they cannot be planned for. However they have to be accounted for in the following season.

I anticipate in certain games squads will be rotated which again is why I see Rocky as a key signing.

Having versatility is essential under this new protocol.

You would expect most players to be unavailable for a couple of games a year minimum due to injury and I think we will manage the process depending on opposition.

I think with our squad depth it’s less of an issue given the quality of depth we have, some clubs may really struggle though with thinner squads.

London, Cas and Salford in particular look to have very thin squads.