Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:03 am  

100% correct 100% warrior.

Add this to the Bateman lie, the Bateman/Mossop incident, the Tomkins incidents and allowing players under contract to just get up and leave it isn't looking too good.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:11 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

100% correct 100% warrior.

Add this to the Bateman lie, the Bateman/Mossop incident, the Tomkins incidents and allowing players under contract to just get up and leave it isn't looking too good.

What would you have done with the Bateman/Mossop incident?

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:14 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

100% correct 100% warrior.

Add this to the Bateman lie, the Bateman/Mossop incident, the Tomkins incidents and allowing players under contract to just get up and leave it isn't looking too good.

The Bateman/Mossop and Tomkins brothers incidents were totally out of the clubs control and dealt with pretty well IMO but there’s been too much he could’ve controlled that has gone badly wrong recently. There just doesn’t seem much focus on the club from Lenagan anymore, no buzz around the place and he looks fed up with trying to think of ways to stop the club making losses and instead of speculating to try and accumulate, has decided to just cut costs to try and stop the bleeding.

I think Lenagan has to start being honest with people and make his intentions and ambitions known. I know the old fans forums used to get rail roaded by the odd nutter asking about people’s breakfasts of choice but I think they’d be so useful now, even if it was just to make the fans feel a bit more valued. The trust between the club and the support is being flushed down the pan recently.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:20 am  

The incidents should never have happened. Pretty sure one of them was lied about, one covered up and one dealt with pretty well.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:19 am  

This really is quite an odd situation.

Now I am going to assume we can be classed as a successful team since 2010 onwards within Super League and I am going to make a complete assumption that IL has seen that success on the field does not indicate any real increase in profit, in fact, quite the opposite. The club on the whole in the last three years has scaled down in nearly every department. I for one am of the opinion Wigan Warriors is never going to be a budget club, I am sure IL must realise that. It is clear that without a much better TV deal for the sport (and all the hoohaa that comes with it) there is not a chance the club will turn a profit or even become self sustaining. Correct me if I am wrong, but does any club in Super League break even or turn a profit?

I know Castleford have rightly established themselves as a very consistent and more impressively entertaining team and I am positively sure there playing salary total is far less than ours at present and without the need for any marquee players, they are very well run indeed and maybe IL has his eyes on that style of set-up here at Wigan? It would explain why little was done to retain high earners like Tomkins, Bateman and if rumours are true, George Williams. No doubt SO'L and TL will be allowed to retire without any hesitation and adding players like Sammut, Hankinson and Bullock whilst retaining Powell and Isa is also a clear indication of the attempt to balance out the squad with a talent to pay ratio.

When I announced on this forum that the club had agreed terms with Joe Greenwood I was scolded (understatement!) by the person that told me, however, he no longer works for the club and at the same time I was informed he told me that Waney had wanted Liam Watts (released by Hull) and Kenny Edwards (available for a fee) signed with immediate effect and was denied and whatever reason he was given (no one, and I mean no one knows other than the people in the board room) was the reason he handed his notice in. The club went on to sign Hankinson mid-season (for a fee!) and agree terms with Zak and Joe Bullock.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:30 am  

IL has known Edwards for years.

SE agreed to a 3 year contract,

SE said leave the details until after the 6 nations as i don't want to be distracted.

IL took the man hes known for years word on the matter.

They agreed to do press conferences about it.

The only thing IL did wrong was to say 'signed 'rather than 'agreed'. Why would he intentionally mislead anyone on this point. He had an agreement with someone he's known for years. They both agreed to announce it.

If IL had kept everyone in the dark until after the 6 nations when they were due to finalise the contract, everyone would have been up in arms wondering what's going on and blaming IL for having no plan or not communicating with the fans.

SE has been very disengenious saying he hasn't got a contract and will be unemployed after the world Cup. Hes the one who should be getting the flak.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:54 am  

Did IL mislead S.Wane?

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:03 pm  

P-J wrote:

Yes they would.

He doesn't want to be here - he'd have got out of a signed contract too.

The club would have had a legally binding contract which would have curtailed Edwards ability to flutter his eyes in other directions. It would also mean we would be due some sort of compensation that at the moment we aren't. It would have seriously restricted the omnishamble that is currently happening.

It would also have meant the club didn't lie to the fans.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:19 pm  

Big Steve wrote:

IL has known Edwards for years.

SE agreed to a 3 year contract,

SE said leave the details until after the 6 nations as i don't want to be distracted.

IL took the man hes known for years word on the matter.

They agreed to do press conferences about it.

The only thing IL did wrong was to say 'signed 'rather than 'agreed'. Why would he intentionally mislead anyone on this point. He had an agreement with someone he's known for years. They both agreed to announce it.

If IL had kept everyone in the dark until after the 6 nations when they were due to finalise the contract, everyone would have been up in arms wondering what's going on and blaming IL for having no plan or not communicating with the fans.

SE has been very disengenious saying he hasn't got a contract and will be unemployed after the world Cup. Hes the one who should be getting the flak.

Perfectly summed up. The fact the contract wasn’t signed is not the club’s doing. In hindsight the wording of the press release is the only thing that wasn’t right but free club had no reason to believe SE would go back on the agreed terms.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:22 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Perfectly summed up. The fact the contract wasn’t signed is not the club’s doing. In hindsight the wording of the press release is the only thing that wasn’t right but free club had no reason to believe SE would go back on the agreed terms.

Theresa May's fault?