Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:42 pm  

Cruncher wrote: If people were't convinced that Shaun Edwards is a dirty little sneak who should never darken Wigan's doors again, they ought to be after this interview. It practically screams 'England come and get me! I'm all yours!' I've never read an interview with any sports personality as pathetically self-serving as this. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9668857 Seconded. Reflects very poorly on the ex-legend. Surely it's OK to call him that now?

Cruncher wrote: If people were't convinced that Shaun Edwards is a dirty little sneak who should never darken Wigan's doors again, they ought to be after this interview. It practically screams 'England come and get me! I'm all yours!' I've never read an interview with any sports personality as pathetically self-serving as this. https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... -1-9668857 Seconded. Reflects very poorly on the ex-legend. Surely it's OK to call him that now?

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:52 pm  

I think the phrase we are looking for is he has 's*** his hole full'.

I can sort of see why IL hasn't closed the matter yet - wouldn't put it past SE to claim he had his contract broken if things don't work out on the dark side - but we should be sounding out whoever will be here in 2020 now.

Disappointing the SE has gone down this route, but we can't make him come. We could do without seeing him down here for a while though.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:46 pm  

phibes wrote:

Seconded. Reflects very poorly on the ex-legend. Surely it's OK to call him that now?

One or two might have an issue, but they have fewer numbers each day, I suspect.

I'd love Edwards never to receive the phone-call he is so desperately awaiting from England RU, come back to us with his tail between his legs and then get a big V-sign from Ian Lenagan. Sadly, I suspect our chairman is too nice a bloke.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:51 pm  

Wasps have confirmed they’re waiting to talk to him after his holidays as well. I really hope we wrap it all up this week and confirm we have withdrawn our offer and will instead be looking at other options, starting with giving Lam the chance to cement the job (presuming he wants it long term).

The team needs investment but we’ve got some talent in there still.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:23 pm  

Well it looks on face value to be all over bar the shouting I just hope Lenegan gives him till say Wednesday and calls a halt to it if Edwards hasn’t by then

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:43 pm  

I wonder if this little Snake has the phone number of Brett Kenny so he can ring to apologise..

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:22 am  

I get that there’s anger towards SE but all this would have been avoided if IL would have actually given SE a contract to sign. Some have suggested that SE didn’t want to sign at the time and if that’s the case IL should have then said “Thanks but no thanks”.

SE isn’t contracted to anyone post RUWC. He is well within his rights to look at all options on the table. This mess could have and should have been avoided way back when and SE given a contract to sign or Wigan walked away. It’s pure mismanagement from IL.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:40 am  

100% Warrior wrote:

I get that there’s anger towards SE but all this would have been avoided if IL would have actually given SE a contract to sign. Some have suggested that SE didn’t want to sign at the time and if that’s the case IL should have then said “Thanks but no thanks”.

SE isn’t contracted to anyone post RUWC. He is well within his rights to look at all options on the table. This mess could have and should have been avoided way back when and SE given a contract to sign or Wigan walked away. It’s pure mismanagement from IL.

Time to get over this fantasy that Shaun Edwards is an innocent party.

I know it's difficult to think ill of a club legend, but sometime you've got to wake up and smell the coffee.

Yes, technically he is within his rights to look at all his options. But that doesn't negate the promises he made to the Wigan club and to the Wigan fans at a press conference that he now doesn't even mention when interviewed in the nationals. And if it was a case that Wigan were simply refusing to give him a contract (which is the exact opposite of what one chap posting on here has said actually happened), then why didn't he sort it out privately?

And why does he now need time to 'make up his mind' ... when his mind was apparently made up sufficiently last year for him to attend that press conference?

No one is saying that IL wasn't wrong to announce the deal before it was done, but that was a case of him being too trusting. Gizmo is guilty of a lot worse.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:58 am  

Cruncher wrote:

Time to get over this fantasy that Shaun Edwards is an innocent party.

I know it's difficult to think ill of a club legend, but sometime you've got to wake up and smell the coffee.

Yes, technically he is within his rights to look at all his options. But that doesn't negate the promises he made to the Wigan club and to the Wigan fans at a press conference that he now doesn't even mention when interviewed in the nationals. And if it was a case that Wigan were simply refusing to give him a contract (which is the exact opposite of what one chap posting on here has said actually happened), then why didn't he sort it out privately?

And why does he now need time to 'make up his mind' ... when his mind was apparently made up sufficiently last year for him to attend that press conference?

No one is saying that IL wasn't wrong to announce the deal before it was done, but that was a case of him being too trusting. Gizmo is guilty of a lot worse.

Speaking purely hypothetically here. But run this scenario:

They agree terms, maybe there a pending issue with the contract, something Shaun enquires about which IL has to look into, perhaps (this is just me speculating) which is a little unusual maybe to do with how SE is paid for example.
Because the contract is 95% done they shake hands, the agreement is as good as done.
In the meantime SE is in regular contact with the club, even to the point of discussing recruitment for his backroom staff etc.
SE asks IL and Wigan to take the pressure off and let him focus on Wales and the 6 nations. Out of respect and understanding IL agrees.
In the meantime SE's agent is contacted from a WASPs official on his situation (they sound him out for a position and fee then turns his head)
SE also enquires about the situation at England RU
SE debates his situation with Wigan, is it a better option than Wasps? He also still holds out to find out if he's inline for a position with England RU.
When quizzed on his situation, instead of confirming he'll boss Wigan, he refers to an exact; he's not signed a contract, which is the truth, but fails to elaborate on the details (which I've previously discussed)
The contract issue becomes the focal point in the media. IL wanting to keep Wigan out of the dirt refrains from responding until his hand is forced.
SE becomes hard to contact for Wigan adding more fuel to the fire.
IL confirms he won't hold SE to anything, if he wants to take his career in a different route, he's free to do so.
SE decides for several reasons a return to RL isn't the best option for him at this time. He praises IL (then makes a public media announcement about his love for all things Wigan to end it on a more positive, which falls very short in fans eyes)
AL is sounded out to do another season with Wigan after performances improve.

Re: Edwards provides clarity : Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:08 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Speaking purely hypothetically here. But run this scenario:

They agree terms, maybe there a pending issue with the contract, something Shaun enquires about which IL has to look into, perhaps (this is just me speculating) which is a little unusual maybe to do with how SE is paid for example.
Because the contract is 95% done they shake hands, the agreement is as good as done.
In the meantime SE is in regular contact with the club, even to the point of discussing recruitment for his backroom staff etc.
SE asks IL and Wigan to take the pressure off and let him focus on Wales and the 6 nations. Out of respect and understanding IL agrees.
In the meantime SE's agent is contacted from a WASPs official on his situation (they sound him out for a position and fee then turns his head)
SE also enquires about the situation at England RU
SE debates his situation with Wigan, is it a better option than Wasps? He also still holds out to find out if he's inline for a position with England RU.
When quizzed on his situation, instead of confirming he'll boss Wigan, he refers to an exact; he's not signed a contract, which is the truth, but fails to elaborate on the details (which I've previously discussed)
The contract issue becomes the focal point in the media. IL wanting to keep Wigan out of the dirt refrains from responding until his hand is forced.
SE becomes hard to contact for Wigan adding more fuel to the fire.
IL confirms he won't hold SE to anything, if he wants to take his career in a different route, he's free to do so.
SE decides for several reasons a return to RL isn't the best option for him at this time. He praises IL (then makes a public media announcement about his love for all things Wigan to end it on a more positive, which falls very short in fans eyes)
AL is sounded out to do another season with Wigan after performances improve.

It's plausible, but as you say, it's just speculation.

I don't want to believe that Shaun Edwards saw this from the start as an opportunity to secure himself another big job in RU, with Wigan nothing more than a stepping stone. Unfortunately, the spending power of RU (God knows where it comes from!!!) has turned it into exactly that.

He may feel that a return to RL isn't the best move for him at this time, but I'm not there'll ever be a time when it is. Who would trust him after this?

Whatever, I feel he's displayed a real weakness of character and a huge lack of self-awareness.

Before last weekend, my view was that Wigan should move straight away to withdraw their offer. Now, I think that would be playing into Edwards' hands. They're right to leave the ball in his court. When this deal finally dies, it will be his decision to kill it, not Wigan's.