It's plausible, but as you say, it's just speculation.
I don't want to believe that Shaun Edwards saw this from the start as an opportunity to secure himself another big job in RU, with Wigan nothing more than a stepping stone. Unfortunately, the spending power of RU (God knows where it comes from!!!) has turned it into exactly that.
He may feel that a return to RL isn't the best move for him at this time, but I'm not there'll ever be a time when it is. Who would trust him after this?
Whatever, I feel he's displayed a real weakness of character and a huge lack of self-awareness.
Before last weekend, my view was that Wigan should move straight away to withdraw their offer. Now, I think that would be playing into Edwards' hands. They're right to leave the ball in his court. When this deal finally dies, it will be his decision to kill it, not Wigan's.
The spending power in RU comes from an effective governing body and sponsorship. Unfortunately the RFL only manage to get Mrs Miggins Pie Shop and run the game like an old boys club.
It's plausible, but as you say, it's just speculation.
I don't want to believe that Shaun Edwards saw this from the start as an opportunity to secure himself another big job in RU, with Wigan nothing more than a stepping stone. Unfortunately, the spending power of RU (God knows where it comes from!!!) has turned it into exactly that.
He may feel that a return to RL isn't the best move for him at this time, but I'm not there'll ever be a time when it is. Who would trust him after this?
Whatever, I feel he's displayed a real weakness of character and a huge lack of self-awareness.
Before last weekend, my view was that Wigan should move straight away to withdraw their offer. Now, I think that would be playing into Edwards' hands. They're right to leave the ball in his court. When this deal finally dies, it will be his decision to kill it, not Wigan's.
You're right. I can imagine Shaun having genuine intentions from the start, but then Wasps etc popped into the picture and SE suddenly realised there was other options. At the core of English RU is a thriving international game which generates enough money to prop up the code. In recent years RU seems to have made good decisions whereas RL has made poor decisions widening the gap between the codes.
RL is the best code by far in my option, but RU, due to money and scale is arguably the most desirable for a player and or coach. Doesn't always work out (Charnley etc) but it's often worth a try.
The spending power in RU comes from an effective governing body and sponsorship. Unfortunately the RFL only manage to get Mrs Miggins Pie Shop and run the game like an old boys club.
Yes, which was my point, a Six Nations sponsored to a high level, covered on ALL games, we get a weekend in Liverpool with few TV games, sponsored by a cheap car company.
Time to get over this fantasy that Shaun Edwards is an innocent party.
I know it's difficult to think ill of a club legend, but sometime you've got to wake up and smell the coffee.
Yes, technically he is within his rights to look at all his options. But that doesn't negate the promises he made to the Wigan club and to the Wigan fans at a press conference that he now doesn't even mention when interviewed in the nationals. And if it was a case that Wigan were simply refusing to give him a contract (which is the exact opposite of what one chap posting on here has said actually happened), then why didn't he sort it out privately?
And why does he now need time to 'make up his mind' ... when his mind was apparently made up sufficiently last year for him to attend that press conference?
No one is saying that IL wasn't wrong to announce the deal before it was done, but that was a case of him being too trusting. Gizmo is guilty of a lot worse.
I think there’s guilt on both sides but it could have all been avoided with the signing of a contract. Announcing a “signing” without an actual signature on paper is absolutely ridiculous and embarassing. What did IL think was going to happen? As soon as SE left his office and then potential jobs in RU started to come up why wouldn’t be be tempted? Why wouldn’t he come out and say so in the media? If he was tied down to a contract this wouldn’t have happened.
A “handshake” is not how to do things in professional sport. You sign a contract. You can’t carry on dancing around the bush pretending that this isn’t the causation of this whole debacle. If there was no contract offered just a “gentleman’s agreement” SE should have said he will walk away and Wigan should have kicked their arses into gear and offered one. If a contract was offered but declined to be signed by SE, Wigan should have walked away.
Is it really Thursday afternoon and this debacle hasn’t been cleared up? We’re the kings of silence & dragging stuff out but this takes the biscuit
I posted on another thread, the issue now isn't whether he's coming, it's more about sorting who will be coming instead and trying to announce both simultaneously.
I posted on another thread, the issue now isn't whether he's coming, it's more about sorting who will be coming instead and trying to announce both simultaneously.
I doubt that'll happen, to be honest.
Edwards will make his decision soon. He'll have to if he wants a job in RU, or they'll just offer them somewhere else. Clearly Wigan are leaving it up to him to officially decide and announce that the RL deal is dead (which is fair enough in some ways, given that he's the one who killed it, not them). But Wigan are unlikely to have sourced a replacement by then, as, at the very least, they'll need to let Lam try out for it.
That's assuming Lam wants it, of course. If he genuinely doesn't, then that's different.
Edwards will make his decision soon. He'll have to if he wants a job in RU, or they'll just offer them somewhere else. Clearly Wigan are leaving it up to him to officially decide and announce that the RL deal is dead (which is fair enough in some ways, given that he's the one who killed it, not them). But Wigan are unlikely to have sourced a replacement by then, as, at the very least, they'll need to let Lam try out for it.
That's assuming Lam wants it, of course. If he genuinely doesn't, then that's different.
outside looking in, Adrian, you'll do for a year but we have someone else lined up. Adrian, that someone else wants to go elsehwhere, do want to stay a while?
outside looking in, Adrian, you'll do for a year but we have someone else lined up. Adrian, that someone else wants to go elsehwhere, do want to stay a while?
Not the opportunity of a lifetime!
I agree, but if we were now to say: 'Lammy, the job's still yours till the end of the year. But even though you'd now like to be considered for it full-time, we're still going to be looking for someone else,' that's not much of an incentive for 2019.
It's a mess, but unless Lammy really doesn't want the job next year, I don't see what option we've got but to offer it to him - IF he gets the results.
