Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:28 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

FearTheVee wrote:

This is the problem with giving yourself a daft moniker and logos with skulls on and using the word "ultra".

You don't need any of the above to collect for flags and sing songs. There was talk of a similar "ultras" group on the Saints forums that got shot down and there have been loads of new flags funded and made anyway. The general consensus was that it would be divisive, with a "normal fans" and "ultras" segregation that is unhelpful and unnecessary.

As for wearing scarves over faces, good grief. Where's that "roll eyes" smiley.

You're all Wigan fans under one banner - all this ultra, brigantes, S2 etc is a bit cringeworthy and is always likely to attract unsavoury behaviour.

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Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:29 pm  

21-12 wrote:

Absoulute rubbish!!! Who are these "some members", enlighten me.

Expand on the football hooliganism bit please? There has been no violence what so ever since the group formed or any threat of violence at any game. Another MYTH.

I'm in no way saying the Brigantes are a bunch of violent thugs going around causing trouble or threatening people but the whole 'Ultras' image to most people is football hooliganism so unfortunately that's the way the Brigantes will be seen by many outsiders.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:33 pm  

Barrett was robbed wrote:

I'm in no way saying the Brigantes are a bunch of violent thugs going around causing trouble or threatening people but the whole 'Ultras' image to most people is football hooliganism so unfortunately that's the way the Brigantes will be seen by many outsiders.

Then it's to us all to "educate" them into what the group is really about.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:38 pm  

Barrett was robbed wrote:

I'm in no way saying the Brigantes are a bunch of violent thugs going around causing trouble or threatening people but the whole 'Ultras' image to most people is football hooliganism so unfortunately that's the way the Brigantes will be seen by many outsiders.

Then let outsiders think that, Wigan fans know that the Brigantes are not a violent group so what is the problem?

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:57 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

This is the problem with giving yourself a daft moniker and logos with skulls on and using the word "ultra".

You don't need any of the above to collect for flags and sing songs. There was talk of a similar "ultras" group on the Saints forums that got shot down and there have been loads of new flags funded and made anyway. The general consensus was that it would be divisive, with a "normal fans" and "ultras" segregation that is unhelpful and unnecessary.

As for wearing scarves over faces, good grief. Where's that "roll eyes" smiley.

You're all Wigan fans under one banner - all this ultra, brigantes, S2 etc is a bit cringeworthy and is always likely to attract unsavoury behaviour.

Exactly! The Brigantes have been great with all the work that they've done. The only issue is how they are perceived by other Wigan fans. They are supposed to be inclusive since they aren't trying to set themselves above any other Wigan fan.
However if someone questions whether the ultras term or the flag designs might give the wrong impression to other Wigan fans the reaction is generally to shoot them down or mock them.

If the idea is to create a good atmosphere at Wigan games and get as many people joining is as possible then they would take the concerns seriously and make an effort to distance themselves from 'ultras' and the negative connotations that come with it; at least to begin with, so that people can see what they are really doing rather than being put off.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:07 pm  

21-12 wrote:

The S2 gimmick was used because that is the block the group is situated in and was used to attract people that wanted to get involved into that particular block. The word Hooliganism is way over the top, since this whole thing began there has never been any violence what so ever at any game.

The divide at the moment is simply there because fellow Wigan fans have been quite judgemental and tarred people with the same brush, ONE absoulute scrote has taken a spray can to the game, somebody that has no connection to the group and all of a sudden the Brigantes are "alienating" people and all the people that are sat waiting to have a pop at the Brigantes come crawling out of the woodwork. I notice there wasn't a thread congratulating the Brigantes on the large sum of money donated to charity? Or any flag displays the group has put on.

The split/divide thing is ridiculous, we had some fantastic away days ast year were hundreds of Wigan fans got inolved and everyone njoyed themselves, why should it be different this season?

Sort of, but there was also a thread telling people not to sit near you if they didn't want to sing constantly and jump up and down in favour of actually watching the game.

If a "Don't sit near us" message is not dividing the supporters, then what is?

Sorry, I can't buy into the whole 'Brigantes' thing. We're all Wigan supporters at the end of the day and I'm not being told how I should support them. By all means, sing, dance, wave scarves, provide flags and all the rest of it - it looks fabulous. But I can't help feeling that MORE people would buy in if you didn't put yourselves on some kind pedestal as an 'ultrafan', somehow better than the rest of us, and give yourselves a label.

But maybe that's just me.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:09 pm  

Fear The Vee wrote:

This is the problem with giving yourself a daft moniker and logos with skulls on and using the word "ultra".

You don't need any of the above to collect for flags and sing songs. There was talk of a similar "ultras" group on the Saints forums that got shot down and there have been loads of new flags funded and made anyway. The general consensus was that it would be divisive, with a "normal fans" and "ultras" segregation that is unhelpful and unnecessary.

As for wearing scarves over faces, good grief. Where's that "roll eyes" smiley.

You're all Wigan fans under one banner - all this ultra, brigantes, S2 etc is a bit cringeworthy and is always likely to attract unsavoury behaviour.

I hate agreeing with Fear The Vee, but this is spot on, in my opinion. Wigan fans are Wigan fans.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:25 pm  

Just want to say that i have nothing whatsoever to do with the group in question, but i think some others on here may have been awaiting the chance to have a pop at them.

Ok, so one person has used an aerosol as far as we know, and? The police are unable to "Police" many things, what do you expect rugby fans to do if other peoples kids are badly brought up!

My feelings were that when people were mentioning that they would be in a certain area to encourage good natured singing and chanting, it was being done as a common curtesy to other people, and not to create an "us and them" situation as has been suggested. But if you are so paranoid as to think that, maybe you need phyciatric (SP) help with that. You could say that the Skull was a little "misjudged", but other than that i think its a shame that people feel this is worthy of getting all hot and bothered about.

Get a life for goodness sake!!!

BTW, i am an old fart....

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:26 pm  

Robinson, its not a 'don't sit with us' in that way. It's more 'this is what is being done in this area, if you're not up for it, you may want to sit somewhere else'. If you catch my drift. That's also the idea of 1 location, so people know where its happening.

Unfortunately, on a written forum some people have issues expressing themselves in writing, and some have issues with how they read things. Misunderstandings are common place on internet media.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:30 pm  

onedego wrote:

Robinson, its not a 'don't sit with us' in that way. It's more 'this is what is being done in this area, if you're not up for it, you may want to sit somewhere else'. If you catch my drift. That's also the idea of 1 location, so people know where its happening.

Unfortunately, on a written forum some people have issues expressing themselves in writing, and some have issues with how they read things. Misunderstandings are common place on internet media.

so has it affected people who already sat in said area/s who didnt want to join in? have they been 'forced' to move?