Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:36 am  

Phil Gould (obviously) and Greg Alexander both saying the ball was short of the line and ending their argument there. I think guys like that are failing to acknowledge the ball does get to the line because they then wouldn't know how to complain about a robbery. Is it a double movement? that's the decision but he doesn't lift his arm and normally the attackers body is behind the ball and not in front, so the ball slides in towards Wardles body and there is an argument to say it's the defenders force that moves it. It was a very unusual occurrence and one that I cannot remember any examples to compare it to.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:47 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Phil Gould (obviously) and Greg Alexander both saying the ball was short of the line and ending their argument there. I think guys like that are failing to acknowledge the ball does get to the line because they then wouldn't know how to complain about a robbery. Is it a double movement? that's the decision but he doesn't lift his arm and normally the attackers body is behind the ball and not in front, so the ball slides in towards Wardles body and there is an argument to say it's the defenders force that moves it. It was a very unusual occurrence and one that I cannot remember any examples to compare it to.

When I watched it a couple of times on the big screen live I said double movement. Still think that's probably right with Wardle dragging the ball into his body as opposed to promoting the ball away from the body as you usually see. But the decision wasn't what was probably right - the video ref needed evidence that the original decision was definitively wrong.

As for Liam Moore's original decision, I heard one pundit (maybe James Graham) say he made an assumption...but that's the rule. Refs have to make a decision one way or the other even if they don't have a clue.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:58 am  

MadDogg wrote:

When I watched it a couple of times on the big screen live I said double movement. Still think that's probably right with Wardle dragging the ball into his body as opposed to promoting the ball away from the body as you usually see. But the decision wasn't what was probably right - the video ref needed evidence that the original decision was definitively wrong.

As for Liam Moore's original decision, I heard one pundit (maybe James Graham) say he made an assumption...but that's the rule. Refs have to make a decision one way or the other even if they don't have a clue.

Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.

It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.

My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:05 am  

I've watched that bloke in a bar podcast and they speak loads of sense, so fair play to them for that but they do also speak some nonsense regarding the referring. Questioning why he would send up the Wardle one as a try and the May one as a no try is bonkers. He does that because he can see the ball on the line for Wardle one and you can't see the ball down at any point for the May one. They're just facts and it's the VR who should get the stick for the Wardle one.

All the talk of Field and French being great worries me greatly! Even talk of Harvie Hill being somebody to target. It's the price you pay I guess but we'll need to do what we can to fight off any raids on these lads.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:08 am  

Snowy wrote:

Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.

It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.

My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!

I can't change my opinion because we've benefitted from it, the ref sending it up as a try/no try should've been binned ages ago. If they had sent up the 2 decisions without a try/no try call hanging over them I think they both get given as no trys tbh but I think we deserved a bit of luck as you say.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:12 am  

Jason65 wrote:

He is only talking about what his guys are doing and how the culture has changed from almost to being winners,surely he is allowed that.I will let him know that he is beginning to grate on you,I am sure he will be upset at the thought.
One point I do agree is that Wardle's try wasnt over the line it was infact on the line dragged over by the Penrith player.
You will make the playoffs maybe 3rd as I predicted last year.

Don't try to reason with Stu M. He's upset because Peet doesn't keep mentioning Saints and concentrates on his own players instead, unlike Wellens who constantly mentions Wigan when their team wins.

Oh, wait a minute....

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:18 am  

Anything Phil Gould says can be dismissed out of hand. He despises British RL and always has.

It's disappointing to hear the more considered Brandy getting in on the act, but then he was a Penrith star in his day, so it's probably a struggle for him to be objective.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:33 am  

As an aside, wasn't it good to hear Frano Botica and Martin Offiah referring to Wigan as "we" on the BBC coverage. Once a Wiganer, always a Wiganer

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:41 am  

Snowy wrote:

Ref shouldn't have given it as a try then really. In fact, this needs to stop immediately in my opinion and any VR decision for a try, then the VR decides and the VR only.

It just creates a 'cop out' because of the on field decision. If you don't know. just pass it up and hold them accountable.

My opinion ? I thought Wigan were fantastic, and the brilliant defense won them the game. Wardles try was never a try in the memory of man. The Penrith try on 80 mins had more chance of being allowed but there is no way I can discredit a side from that type of performance. It was magnificent. Take your luck and enjoy the ride !!

I tend to agree about the rule that the on field ref has to express a view either way. But just as he doesn't know he has scored, he doesn't know he hasn't either so he has to guess at what he thinks is most likely.

Re: World Club Challenge - Wigan v Penrith : Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:54 am  

NSW wrote:

When has Peet said Wigan are the only club to do such things ?

He’s often praised saints for being a similar club to us with regards youth etc.

You’ve been coming on here for years telling us how good saints/Welsby are, many of us have agreed but you wouldn’t give Wigan an ounce of credit for defending for their lives for 80mins against a brilliant team with several players missing.

The occasion last night dwarfed the preseaon challenge game from the year before and you know that.

Weren't you the guy who dismissed our 4 in a row as "Covid" titles and the fact we played a lot of games at home (despite no crowds) ? I don't recall a "well done" from you for doing something that no one else in the summer salary capped era has ever done.

Yet you expect me to come on here and congratulate our biggest rival after a contentious winning try that the whole of RL bar Wigan fans say was never a try in a million years?

I was big enough to come on here last night and again this morning after being predictably hammered for my view. Its hardly like I'm referring to something that no one else has brought up.

Finally its hardly like I am constantly anti-Wigan anyway. I was on here immediately after seeing Farrimond for the first time at scholarship level to say he was a superstar in the making. I congratulated Wigan for the classy Roby video. I've applauded some innovative inititatives you have done off the field. Hell I even gave mitigation for the Academy SF debacle because I knew the full story.

So I'm hardly a bitter sad troll (not saying you have said those words btw)

Was I jealous of Wigan being there and not Saints? Of course I was as was every other fan. However I get to watch a brilliant side with my boys in a fantastic modern stadium watching outstanding English players that have come through our Academy system and have watched us win enough trophies to last me a lifetime when all fans with the exception of Wigan and Leeds would love to be in our position.

I'm pretty happy with my RL fix to be honest.