Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:17 am  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Without a shadow of a doubt.

The best players want to play for the biggest sides imo.

I'm a firm believer that what's best for the big sides is best for the league. ATEOTD it's the big sides that push the envelope, it's the big sides that invest heavily in academics and training facilities. It's sides like Wigan that heavily scout none traditional areas like South Wales.

It might sound harsh but if the CC cup final is on BBC who do you think the casual fan or the first time sports fan would tune in to watch - Wakefield vs Huddersfield or one of the big four playing each other? Likewise who would you tune in to Barcelona vs Madrid or two mid table sides?

Our big sides are our cash cows. Outside of individuals they are our greatest marketing assets imo.

What they tune in to watch is a competitive game- regardless of which name is there. What we need are more teams able to be competitive. That won't happen whilst those already competitive have the ability to prevent others from competing with them- which is what Wigan did for years- and are now continuing to try and do. I'm alright Jack mentality. The poster above was spot on with their comment regarding youth. They already cherry pick the best players- this rule just gives them more ability to do it.
What we don't want is the SPL. Because that will lose revenue across the game.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:27 am  

jools wrote:

What they tune in to watch is a competitive game- regardless of which name is there. What we need are more teams able to be competitive. That won't happen whilst those already competitive have the ability to prevent others from competing with them- which is what Wigan did for years- and are now continuing to try and do. I'm alright Jack mentality. The poster above was spot on with their comment regarding youth. They already cherry pick the best players- this rule just gives them more ability to do it.
What we don't want is the SPL. Because that will lose revenue across the game.

Ten years ago, Wigan could have been relegated... Lets not dwell on the reasons for that being avoided, but they turned it around.... It seems that some clubs just want to make excuses for failure to compete, rather than sorting themselves out and being a success.

Lets have a race to the top, not a race to the bottom!

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:14 pm  

It seems to me that the divide between the top clubs and the bottom clubs has continued, despite the salary cap. Other than holding back the top clubs, it has done nothing to bring the bottom clubs up to the level of the top clubs, but has brought the top clubs down to the mediocre standard of rugby league we see most weeks.

Clubs are now competing to win Superleague instead of aiming to be the best rugby league club in the world. If the marquee player rule helps to improve the standard of rugby league in our competition then I'm all for it. Competitive games are great but not if the standard of rugby is poor.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:30 pm  

jools wrote:

Equally Widnes cas or Wakefield could discover the next Andy Farrell / Kieron Cunningham but due to SOME clubs extra spending power are now even more likely to lose him than they already would be.
Capitalism all the way?

Tough shiit. Widnes, Cas and Wakefield's backroom staff need to work harder on their commercials so that if/when they produce the next AF/KC, they have got the £ to keep him.

If another club didn't pick them off, Yawnion would. What's worse?

Simple capitalism yes.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:07 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

It seems to me that the divide between the top clubs and the bottom clubs has continued, despite the salary cap. Other than holding back the top clubs, it has done nothing to bring the bottom clubs up to the level of the top clubs, but has brought the top clubs down to the mediocre standard of rugby league we see most weeks.

Clubs are now competing to win Superleague instead of aiming to be the best rugby league club in the world. If the marquee player rule helps to improve the standard of rugby league in our competition then I'm all for it. Competitive games are great but not if the standard of rugby is poor.

I fail to see how this ruling brings up the standard of rugby league.

Wigan Peer wrote:

jools wrote:

What they tune in to watch is a competitive game- regardless of which name is there. What we need are more teams able to be competitive. That won't happen whilst those already competitive have the ability to prevent others from competing with them- which is what Wigan did for years- and are now continuing to try and do. I'm alright Jack mentality. The poster above was spot on with their comment regarding youth. They already cherry pick the best players- this rule just gives them more ability to do it.
What we don't want is the SPL. Because that will lose revenue across the game.

Ten years ago, Wigan could have been relegated... Lets not dwell on the reasons for that being avoided, but they turned it around.... It seems that some clubs just want to make excuses for failure to compete, rather than sorting themselves out and being a success.

Lets have a race to the top, not a race to the bottom!

They turned it around because they had the history, staff and cash, to (cheat) to do so. If Wigan had been bottom half of the table for the previous 15 seasons and won nothing- do you think their ability to "turn it around" would be the same?
"Failure to compete" is an easy phrase to come up with when you've not had to fight to become competitive for years. How much easier is it for Wigan to secure sponsorship money, Wigan to secure players, wigan to secure the best coaching staff, wigan to secure the best marketing staff, Wigan to secure the best back room staff, Wigan to entice the best youngsters to their club and keep them than those you are accusing of "failing to compete" It's not a level playing field so it's not "failure to compete" it's failure to have the same benefits as others in order to compete!!!
If the RFL had gone ahead with their draft system it may have been different.

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:56 pm  

jools wrote:

I fail to see how this ruling brings up the standard of rugby league.

They turned it around because they had the history, staff and cash, to (cheat) to do so. If Wigan had been bottom half of the table for the previous 15 seasons and won nothing- do you think their ability to "turn it around" would be the same?
"Failure to compete" is an easy phrase to come up with when you've not had to fight to become competitive for years. How much easier is it for Wigan to secure sponsorship money, Wigan to secure players, wigan to secure the best coaching staff, wigan to secure the best marketing staff, Wigan to secure the best back room staff, Wigan to entice the best youngsters to their club and keep them than those you are accusing of "failing to compete" It's not a level playing field so it's not "failure to compete" it's failure to have the same benefits as others in order to compete!!!
If the RFL had gone ahead with their draft system it may have been different.

What draft system would that be?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:12 pm  

jools wrote:

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They turned it around because they had the history, staff and cash, to (cheat) to do so. If Wigan had been bottom half of the table for the previous 15 seasons and won nothing- do you think their ability to "turn it around" would be the same?
"Failure to compete" is an easy phrase to come up with when you've not had to fight to become competitive for years. How much easier is it for Wigan to secure sponsorship money, Wigan to secure players, wigan to secure the best coaching staff, wigan to secure the best marketing staff, Wigan to secure the best back room staff, Wigan to entice the best youngsters to their club and keep them than those you are accusing of "failing to compete" It's not a level playing field so it's not "failure to compete" it's failure to have the same benefits as others in order to compete!!!
If the RFL had gone ahead with their draft system it may have been different.

Draft system? Are you joking?

That's just an easy option for those clubs that can't be bothered to do anything to just get another free ride.

I do find it amusing and slightly ironic that opposition fans litter this board with comments like 'arrogant' or say that we think we are entitled to success . Then at the same time you get posts like the above stating they should have the same off the field benefits as everyone else!!!! Well guess what you aren't entitled to them . We have invested money and effort to get them and in turn it's brought success.

Why should anyone just be given players or facilites? Why should any club have the right to complain that Wigan is pushing the envelope with top draw facilities for it's staff?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:22 pm  

jools wrote:

What they tune in to watch is a competitive game- regardless of which name is there. What we need are more teams able to be competitive. That won't happen whilst those already competitive have the ability to prevent others from competing with them- which is what Wigan did for years- and are now continuing to try and do. I'm alright Jack mentality. The poster above was spot on with their comment regarding youth. They already cherry pick the best players- this rule just gives them more ability to do it.
What we don't want is the SPL. Because that will lose revenue across the game.

You are so wrong it's laughable. The top teams "preventing others from competing with them"

The crap clubs are preventing themselves. If Uncle Ken put his hand in his pocket and splashed out on Sam Burgess, would you be so sympathetic to the crappy West Yorkshire junk who voted against the Marquee rule? Would you F.

You're talking about losing revenue across the game. What revenue?

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:56 pm  

Orrell Lad wrote:

You are so wrong it's laughable. The top teams "preventing others from competing with them"

The crap clubs are preventing themselves. If Uncle Ken put his hand in his pocket and splashed out on Sam Burgess, would you be so sympathetic to the crappy West Yorkshire junk who voted against the Marquee rule? Would you F.

You're talking about losing revenue across the game. What revenue?

"let them eat cake" attitude. Now That's laughable

Re: Marquee Player Rule : Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:00 pm  

The thing is teams had an opportunity to develop under the franchise system and they squandered it!

Ask Catalan or Widnes if the franchise system was a failure. They developed strong sides via the execution of a long term plan.

Some clubs in SL can't even plan from week to week! Instead of looking at internal failures they turn into green eyed monsters who love to point the finger of blame at anyone apart from themselves.

If Widnes can come from the championship and over a short space of time firmly cement themselves in the league what does that say of those who have wasted 10 years in the top flight? If a side like Catalan can establish themselves when facing all the obstacles in the world what does that say about teams like Wakey?

The current system only serves to stop the big sides rightly pushing ahead. The only benefit it provides is to mask over the inadequacies of those running the sides who simply don't want to do anything. ATEOTD why would they? Everything is given to them on a plate.