Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:41 pm  

jonh wrote:

Not much has been mentioned about quota spots.

I remember when you had 3 and a bit of a loophole meant you could scam 5. Now we have 7 with loopholes meaning we can go up to 8.

This is a huge fundamental issue with the game.

In many cases clubs can field a match day 13 with over half the players not qualifying to play for England or the other home nations.

We need to reduce this as a matter of priority initially to 5, then ultimately to 3.

I think it needs a balanced approach though or else you risk making the competition worse off if the additional english players playing aren't up to standard.

There isn't just one thing that can fix this issue and the other issues in English Rugby League.
- Amateur Rugby needs better numbers
- All clubs should have academies
- Salary Cap increased / abolished
- Internationals embedded in the calendar

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:05 pm  

jonh wrote:

Not much has been mentioned about quota spots.

I remember when you had 3 and a bit of a loophole meant you could scam 5. Now we have 7 with loopholes meaning we can go up to 8.

This is a huge fundamental issue with the game.

In many cases clubs can field a match day 13 with over half the players not qualifying to play for England or the other home nations.

We need to reduce this as a matter of priority initially to 5, then ultimately to 3.

Possibly to 5 with a couple of years of notice for the clubs. I think anymore than that might be difficult to sustain without further damaging the quality of play.

I would definitely like English players to count on the overseas quota for Catalans Dragons.

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:19 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Every time that happens we get complaints about watering down the level of SL. We can't have it both ways.

We either send the best players to the NRL to try and improve the national side, or we keep them all in SL to improve the level of SL but it may not improve the national side.

Look at some of our overseas players, do they really enhance SL?

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:20 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Possibly to 5 with a couple of years of notice for the clubs. I think anymore than that might be difficult to sustain without further damaging the quality of play.

I would definitely like English players to count on the overseas quota for Catalans Dragons.

You would need to do the same for French lads playing for English clubs.

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:30 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

Look at some of our overseas players, do they really enhance SL?

I'm not talking about the overseas players. I'm talking about sending English players to the NRL.

Every player we lose a player to the NRL it's met with moans and groans about losing the competitions best players.

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:30 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

Look at some of our overseas players, do they really enhance SL?

This is a good point. When was the last time we had a real superstar in our comp who stayed long enough to add some real value? The likes of Barba and Lyon were superstars but came here under a cloud due to misdemeanours back home. Barrett was a great player to use Wigan as an example but these were years ago (apart from Barba)

One of my best mates is Polish and doesn't really folllow RL. However he works with a lot of mad Wigan fans (I don't mean crazy I mean keen match going ones). The other day we were chatting about the WC and he asked if Field and French had been playing well for Australia as he knows they are good players from his work colleagues. He presumed they would be playing. I explained that they hadn't been selected. Trying to explain to him was strange as in his eyes they are 2 of the best in SL (they are of course) and yet if we are being honest would either make even a 40 man Australia squad? Would either start in the NRL?

This isn't being anti-Wigan by using these two as an example, you could argue Coote when he first signed for us would be the same.

The point I am making is that the depth of talent in Aus dwarfs ours. Now of course if a Nathan Cleary comes over here its a different story but its never going to happen for a whole host of reasons.

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:13 pm  

Stu M wrote:

This is a good point. When was the last time we had a real superstar in our comp who stayed long enough to add some real value? The likes of Barba and Lyon were superstars but came here under a cloud due to misdemeanours back home. Barrett was a great player to use Wigan as an example but these were years ago (apart from Barba)

One of my best mates is Polish and doesn't really folllow RL. However he works with a lot of mad Wigan fans (I don't mean crazy I mean keen match going ones). The other day we were chatting about the WC and he asked if Field and French had been playing well for Australia as he knows they are good players from his work colleagues. He presumed they would be playing. I explained that they hadn't been selected. Trying to explain to him was strange as in his eyes they are 2 of the best in SL (they are of course) and yet if we are being honest would either make even a 40 man Australia squad? Would either start in the NRL?

This isn't being anti-Wigan by using these two as an example, you could argue Coote when he first signed for us would be the same.

The point I am making is that the depth of talent in Aus dwarfs ours. Now of course if a Nathan Cleary comes over here its a different story but its never going to happen for a whole host of reasons.

i've just made a point on the Warriors fans forum about the post match on BBC. Willie Poaching was asked about Samoa's chance v Oz. He said we had 8 players in the NRL Grand Final, and we play at that intensity week in week out. He didnt seem phased. I think he's realistic that Oz are favourites, but the majority of the team play in the NRL so wont be phased by playing them

another stat was that 40% of the NRL playing rosta come from the South Sea Islands. So no wonder that Samoa, Tonga, PNG etc are progressing internationally.

In the UK we want to see the best stars week in week out, but our game isnt played at an intensity close to the NRL, so we either need to massively improve the quality / intensity every week in SL or our players need exposing to the NRL on a regular basis. I'd never seen Farnworth or Young play as i dont watch NRL, but they both looked comfortable at the top level, given their relative youth and lack of international playing time and that must only have come from playing in the NRL every week

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:28 pm  

Stu M wrote:

This is a good point. When was the last time we had a real superstar in our comp who stayed long enough to add some real value? The likes of Barba and Lyon were superstars but came here under a cloud due to misdemeanours back home. Barrett was a great player to use Wigan as an example but these were years ago (apart from Barba)

One of my best mates is Polish and doesn't really folllow RL. However he works with a lot of mad Wigan fans (I don't mean crazy I mean keen match going ones). The other day we were chatting about the WC and he asked if Field and French had been playing well for Australia as he knows they are good players from his work colleagues. He presumed they would be playing. I explained that they hadn't been selected. Trying to explain to him was strange as in his eyes they are 2 of the best in SL (they are of course) and yet if we are being honest would either make even a 40 man Australia squad? Would either start in the NRL?

This isn't being anti-Wigan by using these two as an example, you could argue Coote when he first signed for us would be the same.

The point I am making is that the depth of talent in Aus dwarfs ours. Now of course if a Nathan Cleary comes over here its a different story but its never going to happen for a whole host of reasons.

Sorry to go off topic but why did Jamie Lyon come over ?

Also my Mrs who goes the odd game couldn’t understand why French and Field aren’t playing for Australia haha

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:30 pm  

NSW wrote:

Sorry to go off topic but why did Jamie Lyon come over ?

Retired due to pressures of the game and was playing Bush Footie with his mates if I remember correctly.

Re: England 19-man squad for RLWC Semi Final : Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:47 pm  

Agree with reducing the overseas quota numbers.
Due to contracts in place and club's future planning I'd reduce by 1 a year from 2024 down to 4 or perhaps even three.
Maybe IMG may suggest that a qualification for SL would be to have a youth system with an academy and reserves.

That Waney had to go into an Intl competition without a right centre says it all. With Wesley going to 6 tells us a lot too. The whole game over here needs to look to player production in each of the SL clubs.