Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:28 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Not sure but didnt Jack Hughes start at centre (or at least played there) then move to SR

Was certainly signed as a centre

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:34 am  

Jason65 wrote:

Not sure but didnt Jack Hughes start at centre (or at least played there) then move to SR

He went to centre from SR and unsurprisingly it didn’t work.
A hard working but limited player.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:36 am  

spartakmixtapes wrote:

Didn't Joel play most of the 2011 season at centre after gleeson left? The backrow was Hansen/Hoffman/O'Loughlin.
He certainly played centre in the challenge cup final, scoring one of the cup's finest tries in the process.
Isa was predominantly a centre/winger before we signed him and he's always been the first choice to cover centre.

Not Wigan but Kallum Watkins has arguably revived his career by moving in to second row for Salford.

Yes he did play centre. He was never the same player after coming back from union.
Watkins is a good one. Not sure that he’s truly international class but a very decent player.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:44 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

Yes he did play centre. He was never the same player after coming back from union.

The year he played centre most for us was the year before he went to Union.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:46 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote: Tony Iro was 30 odd years ago. Bailey 20 odd years ago. Tomkins played centre at union because he would never get a game in the forwards in union. Isa not a very centre or forward. Isa for emergency centre is fine but for permanent role there………. Tony Carroll??? The skill sets are similar in my opinion due to playing at centre with traditional skill sets is exceptionally difficult and is perhaps the most difficult position to coach. By the way how many ball handling backrow forwards have we got or had this millennium? Burrell should be in the forwards but just isn’t fit enough to play there. Name me a Wigan centre who has converted to the backrow this millennium? You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium.

Itchy Arsenal wrote: Tony Iro was 30 odd years ago. Bailey 20 odd years ago. Tomkins played centre at union because he would never get a game in the forwards in union. Isa not a very centre or forward. Isa for emergency centre is fine but for permanent role there………. Tony Carroll??? The skill sets are similar in my opinion due to playing at centre with traditional skill sets is exceptionally difficult and is perhaps the most difficult position to coach. By the way how many ball handling backrow forwards have we got or had this millennium? Burrell should be in the forwards but just isn’t fit enough to play there. Name me a Wigan centre who has converted to the backrow this millennium? You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:39 am  

Egg Chasing wrote: You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium. In 23 years 4 players have “transitioned”. With the possible exception of Wild non of them were better than average at best. If I remember correctly Aspinwall played in the backrow at the very end of his career? For me it’s the exception not the rule that centres can and do convert successfully to the SR. Historically quite a few centres as they got older had a go in the forwards but very few made a success of it. Must admit I didn’t know that Hughes was a centre. When he was the number 3 shirt that season he looked like a fish out of water.

Egg Chasing wrote: You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium. In 23 years 4 players have “transitioned”. With the possible exception of Wild non of them were better than average at best. If I remember correctly Aspinwall played in the backrow at the very end of his career? For me it’s the exception not the rule that centres can and do convert successfully to the SR. Historically quite a few centres as they got older had a go in the forwards but very few made a success of it. Must admit I didn’t know that Hughes was a centre. When he was the number 3 shirt that season he looked like a fish out of water.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:49 am  

Egg Chasing wrote: You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium. I'm not really bothered about the time frame, so I'll throw in Gilmour. Not 100% sure if he started in the backs tho?

Egg Chasing wrote: You've named one - Phil Bailey. Jack Hughes was signed as a centre and played most of his early games there and flirts between the two - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Stephen Wild played a few there but seemed to be introduced as a SR - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Martin Aspinwall later transitioned to the backrow - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Willie Isa was definitely a wing/centre to begin with - https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/play ... games.html Andy Johnson flirted between wing/centre and SR/LF as did Paul Johnson, although they made their debuts last millennium. I'm not really bothered about the time frame, so I'll throw in Gilmour. Not 100% sure if he started in the backs tho?

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:21 am  

Gilmour started on the wing here but I think was seen as a centre in the main when pushing through to the first team. It was much the same with Paul Johnson around that time as well.

Jeez I’d love one of those two in the back row now.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:37 am  

Liam Farrell, Morgan Smithies and Owen Farrell as a back three would be ok.
Runner, tackler and ball player.

It's always worked in all my time of watching Rugby League.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:42 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

In 23 years 4 players have “transitioned”. With the possible exception of Wild non of them were better than average at best. If I remember correctly Aspinwall played in the backrow at the very end of his career?
For me it’s the exception not the rule that centres can and do convert successfully to the SR.
Historically quite a few centres as they got older had a go in the forwards but very few made a success of it.
Must admit I didn’t know that Hughes was a centre. When he was the number 3 shirt that season he looked like a fish out of water.

I’m not sure if you are being a pedant or deliberately just trying to argue.

You have to put it in context that players generally do not move position that regularly however when they have the centre second row switch has been consistently more successful and regular than when other players have shifted position.

You could argue 1 and half have but that is more recent as you point out kind of proving the point it was regularly happening (in relation to how often players do change position) over 30 years ago where the trend to move halves to full back is a bit more of something that became a trend in the last decade or so.

We have plenty of examples (again relative to how often players generally change position) in SL at the moment and can within our own team currently in Isa (who was more a centre at Widnes) Bateman (international centre) and players like Hurrell who plays both these days, Watkins all running round currently.

The positions are very similar and have been for a long time, today coaches tend to talk about middles and edges.

Centres and secondrows are grouped as edges.

Looking back over the thread people have comfortably without putting too much thought into it named plenty of players who have successfully transitioned between the 2 positions very well.

It’s all relative of course to how often players change position which as mentioned tends not to be that often but when they do consistently over the years the centre/secondrow switch has been one of the more often instances and more successful.