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| Quote Egg Chasing="Egg Chasing"This is how I understand it from what mates tell me and companies house:
Latics were owned by a company that then owned four other companies. One owned the club, one the stadium, one the training ground, one the chippy. Latics as a club/company didn't own the stadium or the training ground at Euxton. That's why IFL was able to bid for the stadium and not the club and how the training ground was sold.
You're quite right that had the company owning the football club been put into admin then the stadium would stay as is, but the holding company was put into admin and so everything underneath it as well. Latics were never being asset stripped as they didn't own any assets legally. The admins just decided to sell the stadium and club as one entity.
If one of IFL's businesses goes under then WRL are safe. If IFL himself goes bankrupt then we aren't. Same sort of idea I think that tried to protect the stadium if the club ever went pop (and a nice tax fiddle also on how much income the club actually has as they have to pay rent on the stadium and training ground)'"
Spot on
Whelan never gave the ground to the football club, he gave the ground to the same company that owned the football club.
The last owners of Latics did the same thing
Wigan RLFC will now need to negotiate the terms of their tenancy with the new owners of the stadium.
I would put my £10 on the newnownrs doing the same thing, there will be a company that will own the stadium and the club, but the 2 will be kept separate.
As Egg chasing has also started the interesting/complicated piece is the Lease.
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| Quote wiganermike="wiganermike"Latics went into administration, there was no mention of a stadium management company being in administration. The administrator appointed to control Latics' administration was selling as a package Latics, a training ground and the stadium. Ergo Latics must own the stadium or there would be no reason to sell the stadium and certainly not as part of a deal for the Latics. Had the stadium been sold separately as the Euxton training ground was then Latics would no longer own it but it appears to have been sold along with Latics so Latics (or their prospective new owners) will still own the stadium.'"
Why do you think it has taken so long to sell Wigan Athletic. It has been due, according to the administrators, potential buyers only wanting to buy Wigan Athletic without buying the Stadium or bidders wanting to just buy the Stadium as a purchase on its own which I suspect was the interest by the Lenagan Consortium bid.
The Spanish buyers are the only bidder who has met the requirements of the Administrators who were only prepared to sell Wigan Athletic and its ownership of the Stadium together as it was at the time the Wigan Athletic went into administration.
In other words, Wigan Athletic are still the owners/landlords of the Stadium as they have been since Whelan transferred it financial affairs from Whelco Holdings to Wigan Athletic in order to sell the club.
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| Quote Ruddy Duck="Ruddy Duck"Why do you think it has taken so long to sell Wigan Athletic. It has been due, according to the administrators, potential buyers only wanting to buy Wigan Athletic without buying the Stadium or bidders wanting to just buy the Stadium as a purchase on its own which I suspect was the interest by the Lenagan Consortium bid.
The Spanish buyers are the only bidder who has met the requirements of the Administrators who were only prepared to sell Wigan Athletic and its ownership of the Stadium together as it was at the time the Wigan Athletic went into administration.
In other words, Wigan Athletic are still the owners/landlords of the Stadium as they have been since Whelan transferred it financial affairs from Whelco Holdings to Wigan Athletic in order to sell the club.'"
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"Wrong'"
If yourself and your pal Egg Chasing think I am wrong, may I suggest you contact the Sports Editor of the Wigan Today Newspaper for clarification on what companies or individuals have own the Stadium since it was built and who has owned it since Whelan sold Wigan Athletic to the Chinese and what exactly has been sold in the sale of Wigan Athletic to the Spanish.
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| Quote Ruddy Duck="Ruddy Duck"If yourself and your pal Egg Chasing think I am wrong, may I suggest you contact the Sports Editor of the Wigan Today Newspaper for clarification on what companies or individuals have own the Stadium since it was built and who has owned it since Whelan sold Wigan Athletic to the Chinese and what exactly has been sold in the sale of Wigan Athletic to the Spanish.'"
I don't need to - I know for a fact that Egg Chasing is correct (He is closer to this than you can imagine).
However - Even if he wasn't I still know what FACTS are
The same company (IEC) owned the Company that runs the Stadium , and they owned the company that ran the Football, ergo, 2 x different companies - Wigan Athletic DID NOT OWN THE STADIUM
Simples
it was the same when Whelan owned it - He owned both companies, but they were different companies
If the Spanish want to put the Football club & the stadium under 1 banner & call it the same company that is their prerogative (I don't think they will but that's a different story).
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"I don't need to - I know for a fact that Egg Chasing is correct (He is closer to this than you can imagine).
However - Even if he wasn't I still know what FACTS are
The same company (IEC) owned the Company that runs the Stadium , and they owned the company that ran the Football, ergo, 2 x different companies - Wigan Athletic DID NOT OWN THE STADIUM
Simples
it was the same when Whelan owned it - He owned both companies, but they were different companies
If the Spanish want to put the Football club & the stadium under 1 banner & call it the same company that is their prerogative (I don't think they will but that's a different story).'"
Don't Wigan Council have a stake in DW stadium as well as owning the land if i can remember when all the controversy of when we had to move our matches to accommodate the Latics it came out as the Council had a stake of the DW.
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| Quote jaws1="jaws1"Don't Wigan Council have a stake in DW stadium as well as owning the land if i can remember when all the controversy of when we had to move our matches to accommodate the Latics it came out as the Council had a stake of the DW.'"
I know they did - but that will be being covered off under the sale/administration process
i.e. If they had a 15% stake then either :-
As part of the administration process they may recover in £££'s what they are now due (probably not much!)
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They retain a 15% ownership and the new buyers accommodate this under the sale/administration process and the buyers price reflects this.
Either way that was not RD's statement/Claim
The Football club did not Own the stadium - They were owned by the same Company that owns the stadium
May seem a pedantic point, but legally it's a massive difference
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| Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"I know they did - but that will be being covered off under the sale/administration process
i.e. If they had a 15% stake then either :-
As part of the administration process they may recover in £££'s what they are now due (probably not much!)
Or
They retain a 15% ownership and the new buyers accommodate this under the sale/administration process and the buyers price reflects this.
Either way that was not RD's statement/Claim
The Football club did not Own the stadium - They were owned by the same Company that owns the stadium
May seem a pedantic point, but legally it's a massive difference'"
It's actually 14% (£4.9 million) of the the building cost of £35 million of the Stadium with the bulk of the having come from grants with only about 20% coming from Whelan's personal fortune which was confirmed to me by a Wigan Business man.
So, where has the idea come from that Whelan built the Stadium ?
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| Quote jaws1="jaws1"Don't Wigan Council have a stake in DW stadium as well as owning the land if i can remember when all the controversy of when we had to move our matches to accommodate the Latics it came out as the Council had a stake of the DW.'"
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Please explain who and what are the company IEC, as in the twenty years or so since the Stadium was built,I have never heard of this company and neither do I suspect have the majority of Warriors supporters and indeed the general public in Wigan.
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| Quote Ruddy Duck="Ruddy Duck"It's actually 14% (£4.9 million) of the the building cost of £35 million of the Stadium with the bulk of the having come from grants with only about 20% coming from Whelan's personal fortune which was confirmed to me by a Wigan Business man.
So, where has the idea come from that Whelan built the Stadium ?'"
Are You
On Glue?
What are you on about ????
Replying with statements/answers to Questions that weren't even being asked!!!!!!!
When did I say he built the stadium?
When did I say how much he put in or where or how he got the grants etc.????
That's not what you originally said
You said that Wigan Athletic owned the stadium
They didn't
Wigan Athletic were a company that were owned by IEC
IEC also owned the company that owned the ground
Don't get things wrong and complete change the subject
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| Quote Ruddy Duck="Ruddy Duck"#
Please explain who and what are the company IEC, as in the twenty years or so since the Stadium was built,I have never heard of this company and neither do I suspect have the majority of Warriors supporters and indeed the general public in Wigan.'"
You won't have heard of them 20 years ago
IEC are the company that bought the Stadium & Wigan Athletic from Whelan 2 years ago
They ran them both as separate businesses
They then sold them to errrrrrrr Themselves (Tongue in cheek but that's a different story)
As it stood both businesses were separate
What the new buyers of BOTH Companies do i.e. keep them separate or merge them together is up to them
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| Probably be better not answering any more Jukesays - he clearly doesn't understand the concept of one individual owning more than one business.
I guess he doesn't watch "the apprentice" or "dragons den".
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