Re: Covid : Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:49 pm  

https://nbc25news.com/news/nation-world ... lth-impact More interesting information being released, not only are Covid-19 vaccines not vaccines but those lockdowns we all suffered were basically pointless! Well that's according to the literary review published by John Hopkins University.

https://nbc25news.com/news/nation-world ... lth-impact More interesting information being released, not only are Covid-19 vaccines not vaccines but those lockdowns we all suffered were basically pointless! Well that's according to the literary review published by John Hopkins University.

Re: Covid : Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:12 am  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

https://nbc25news.com/news/nation-world/study-says-covid-19-lockdowns-in-us-and-europe-had-little-to-no-public-health-impact

More interesting information being released, not only are Covid-19 vaccines not vaccines but those lockdowns we all suffered were basically pointless! Well that's according to the literary review published by John Hopkins University.

I would ask you to work on being less stupid.
Lockdowns done early and moderately were clearly the best stratergy in 2020 and 2021. Sweden decided not to, Norway and Denmark did and Sweden ended up with hugely more dead people.
The vaccine is a vaccine. You not understanding vaccines does not make them not vaccines. In 2022, the most vaccinated populations are the best off. Because, they are vaccinated.

I blame Martyn Sadler for a lot of this. He is a Covid-denialist, as the idea that scientists and healthcare workers might know more about science and healthcare than he does is seen as a personal affront.

Re: Covid : Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:37 pm  

https://www.oraclefilms.com/ It will all come out in the end.

https://www.oraclefilms.com/ It will all come out in the end.

Re: Covid : Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:09 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

https://www.oraclefilms.com/

It will all come out in the end.

What do you think to Wigan’s start to the season?

Just thought I’d ask, as I’m not sure you’ve ever posted about rugby and seeing as this is a rugby forum that seems strange.

Re: Covid : Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:24 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

What do you think to Wigan’s start to the season?

Just thought I’d ask, as I’m not sure you’ve ever posted about rugby and seeing as this is a rugby forum that seems strange.

It’s a very good start to the season. Teams looks fit and playing for each other which is good to see. Like the look of cust and field is like a new signing.
French coming back will be a good problem to have too.

Re: Covid : Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:27 pm  

WiganRL12345 wrote:

Team looks fit

It’s probably the vaccine

Good to have a rugby input anyway

Re: Covid : Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:30 pm  

Bob8 wrote:

I would ask you to work on being less stupid.
Lockdowns done early and moderately were clearly the best stratergy in 2020 and 2021. Sweden decided not to, Norway and Denmark did and Sweden ended up with hugely more dead people.
The vaccine is a vaccine. You not understanding vaccines does not make them not vaccines. In 2022, the most vaccinated populations are the best off. Because, they are vaccinated.

I blame Martyn Sadler for a lot of this. He is a Covid-denialist, as the idea that scientists and healthcare workers might know more about science and healthcare than he does is seen as a personal affront.

What makes you think I am stupid? Have you met me?

Let me point out to you, in case you have not grasped it, I did not write the article or conduct the research that supported the conclusion that lockdowns had little impact on public health, it was undertaken by the world renowned Johns Hopkins University. Now the big question is, do I believe what they have published or someone of lesser intelligence posting on a forum? It is a no brainer! By the way, what does moderately mean in this context?

Regarding vaccines, when I was a lad studying science at school I was taught that a vaccine was a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies which provided immunity against one or several diseases. Clearly, the Covid injection did not do that so, by definition, it cannot be classed as a vaccine. Now, if you would like to give me your definition of a vaccine I would be only too willing to consider it.

Re: Covid : Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:48 pm  

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-n ... documents/ The documents which the courts have instructed Pfizer to release seem to conflict with what the the MHRA stated, on 9 September 2021, that the COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer can be used as safe and effective booster doses! What makes this even more concerning is that there are now proposals to give the injection to children as young as five and give fourth and fifth boosters to the elderly and vulnerable. For the record, I have had three doses of Pfizer.

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-n ... documents/ The documents which the courts have instructed Pfizer to release seem to conflict with what the the MHRA stated, on 9 September 2021, that the COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer can be used as safe and effective booster doses! What makes this even more concerning is that there are now proposals to give the injection to children as young as five and give fourth and fifth boosters to the elderly and vulnerable. For the record, I have had three doses of Pfizer.

Re: Covid : Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:51 pm  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

What makes you think I am stupid? Have you met me?

Let me point out to you, in case you have not grasped it, I did not write the article or conduct the research that supported the conclusion that lockdowns had little impact on public health, it was undertaken by the world renowned Johns Hopkins University. Now the big question is, do I believe what they have published or someone of lesser intelligence posting on a forum? It is a no brainer! By the way, what does moderately mean in this context?

Regarding vaccines, when I was a lad studying science at school I was taught that a vaccine was a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies which provided immunity against one or several diseases. Clearly, the Covid injection did not do that so, by definition, it cannot be classed as a vaccine. Now, if you would like to give me your definition of a vaccine I would be only too willing to consider it.

I really didn’t want to get involved in this thread but I can’t resist.

A vaccine trains the body to produce antibodies to help resist a disease that a person has not come into contact with before, we agree on that.

In biology immunity is the ability of the body to resist harmful microorganisms, this comes in varying degrees dependant on the strength of an individuals natural immune system. It will never stop you becoming infected but will train your body to resist the infection. You have vastly oversimplified this part and completely ignored the middle ground.

As to the study on lockdowns, I take that on board and agree to a certain extent. No one had the benefit of hindsight that this study has and should be used to understand the best way to respond in future rather than criticise the past.

The simple fact was at the start they didn’t know how serious this could be so aired on the side of caution. I can’t stand BJ and his cronies but I don’t think they had a choice at the time and held out as long as they could, our lockdowns were never as strict as many other countries. I don’t believe they were ever trying to stop everyone from catching this thing as the only way out was immunity, the lockdowns prevented too many from catching it at once before the vaccine was rolled out thus preventing a total breakdown of the NHS.

Re: Covid : Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:55 pm  

The WHO and other official bodies literally changed their definition of what a vaccine is in order to fit them in. Whether you think that is relevant or not is down to personal interpretation but to suggest that someone is stupid for questioning it is totally ridiculous.

"...modifying its definition of the words “vaccine” and “vaccination” on its website.

Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

The term “vaccine” also got a makeover. The CDC’s definition changed from “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease” to the current “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”