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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:43 pm  
Another concern I have is that although with O'Loughlin at 6 we may still struggle to a win, we're not going to win big, and given Saints pick their opponents at the end of the weekend, I'd like to win in as much style as possible to dissuade them from picking us, as I think a trip to Headingley offers us an easier (although still very difficult!) route to Old Trafford.
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:44 pm  
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My optimism for tomorrow night is starting to evaporate!


I don't think it's that desperately bad a situation.

Ideally, we'd have Lockers at 13 and not at 6, but other than the changes for that positional switch, everything else is pretty strong.

We've seen Saints cope with losing 1 (and indeed both) of their halves this season, and the quality in the team has been enough for them to win games. I've seen enough of Wigan this season to believe that if the team plays as well as it has done, we can win the match despite this.
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:55 pm  
Assuming tinytim is correct (and he usually is) we've got arguably the best 6 and 13 in SL both playing out of position when there is no need?

At least the prop situation seems sorted. We might get away with it on Friday, but is anyone confident with this situation in two further games against Stains, Whinos or the Dire if we want to win the title?
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:56 pm  
This makes me think Deacon will be ok should we progress to the semi. Mcguire probably doesn't want to shuffle the back line much.
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:57 pm  
Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:
Assuming tinytim is correct (and he usually is) we've got arguably the best 6 and 13 in SL both playing out of position when there is no need?

At least the prop situation seems sorted. We might get away with it on Friday, but is anyone confident with this situation in two further games against Stains, Whinos or the Dire if we want to win the title?


I'll be over the moon if we play Wigan with TL/SOL in the halves.

Then again, Deacon doesn't concern me in the slightest either.
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:01 pm  
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I'll be over the moon if we play Wigan with TL/SOL in the halves.

Then again, Deacon doesn't concern me in the slightest either.


The feeling's mutual when I see Saints line up with a 6 and 7 of Wilkin and Moore. :D

It was just beginners luck with Matty Smith last week. :wink:
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:02 pm  
I think O'Loughlin at 6 is not as bad as it is being made out. He has a very good cut-out passing game, allows us to play an extra forward with a bit more oomph (O'Loughlin for me is excellent at precise contact points in the tackle to not get dominated, but generally not as much impact as say Joel), which will hopefully mean we will not get dominated again.

On the other hand, O'Loughlin does not have the speed a decent 6 should have. The same can be said for Deacon, however Deacon more than makes up for it in organisation, kicking game, choices in passing. This may be recouped by the fact that O'Loughlin in attack could be just laying a platform for deep standoff/full back play for Sam, which as we know can work wonders in attack.

Sam can kick from fullback, it isn't impossible, just less choice meaning more pressure on him and Tommy near the end of each set. With Riddells distribution I think we would be OK if they position correctly, but I still don't trust McIlorum's deep distribution yet.

But for me the biggest loss by moving O'Loughlin to 6 is the loss of a pivot. All year we have more or less played with 4 pivots - O'Loughlin, Leuluai, Sam and either Deacon, Phelps or Roberts. Even if one had tried to make a break as opposed to passing (Sam ;) ) we would always have a 3-deep attacking line, which is by far and away the best way to break a line in my view. By not having the 4th pivot and simply having 3 second rowers (a bit like Aus) we will have a different dynamic in attack, where individual brilliance may have to play more of a role than a good structured attacking line. Whether this works or not against Hull KR is yet to be seen, but I think this is the direction we may be taking in the next match...and I'm not sure we should be changing this dynamic this late in the season.

...or I could just be reading too far into it ;)
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:09 pm  
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The feeling's mutual when I see Saints line up with a 6 and 7 of Wilkin and Moore. :D


I'm sure it is! Moore did OK at the DW though :wink:

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It was just beginners luck with Matty Smith last week. :wink:


Hopefully we'll be back to Kyle and Lomax in a weeks time anyway, but it's nice to have him around the place just in case :D
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Re: 19 man squad : Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:24 pm  
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I'm sure it is! Moore did OK at the DW though :wink:


No comment. :(

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Hopefully we'll be back to Kyle and Lomax in a weeks time anyway, but it's nice to have him around the place just in case :D


I hear there waiting for the paper mache to dry and then Kyle and Lomax will be ready for another 20 minute game. :wink:
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Re: 19 man squad : Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:40 am  
let's wait and see eh. IMO I would move Sam back to 6 and put Amos on the wing , lets face it if he not 100% you would rather have Pat at 1 to deal with Dobsons kicking threat although both wings will have to be on their toes too . lets just hope it will be alright on the night and lets face it I would like to think Madge knows what he is doing , he has been watching the 20's games and I am sure he has done what he thinks is right so who are we to argue .
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