Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:50 am  

Pemps wrote:

I think it was Jonh on here who explained this in some depth a while ago. During pre-season the players will bulk up but they'll probably lose anything between 7lb-14lb during the season due to the aerobic nature of the sport.

The weights promote an anabolic reaction in the body, while the aerobic part is catabolic, bodybuilders won't do much cardio is it catabolic and slows muscle gain considerably, to put muscle on and keep it calories and energy expenditure are monitored closely and any cardio will be of moderate intensity to keep heart rate at a certain level, that burns fat, once you go over a certain BPM the body looks to break down muscle instead which is catabolic. The amount of fitness work they will do combined with game day will limit any muscle gained in the off season.

[Pemps]

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:57 am  

ChrisA wrote:

The weights promote an anabolic reaction in the body, while the aerobic part is catabolic, bodybuilders won't do much cardio is it catabolic and slows muscle gain considerably, to put muscle on and keep it calories and energy expenditure are monitored closely and any cardio will be of moderate intensity to keep heart rate at a certain level, that burns fat, once you go over a certain BPM the body looks to break down muscle instead which is catabolic. The amount of fitness work they will do combined with game day will limit any muscle gained in the off season.

In short, running makes you thin.

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:05 am  

Pemps wrote:

In short, running makes you thin.

For from it, what you eat makes you thin, weight loss = 80% diet

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:40 am  

With Bateman, Clubb and Lockers back. How about a pack of

Mossop
McIlorum
Clubb
Farrell
Tomkins
Bateman

Tautai
Flower
Crosby
Oloughlin

Lockers to spell Micky after 30 minutes then at around 55 minutes Macca comes back on and either lockers carries on in the back row or gets spelled?

At this point in his career less minutes for SOL maybe a good thing ?

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:15 am  

NSW wrote:

With Bateman, Clubb and Lockers back. How about a pack of

Mossop
McIlorum
Clubb
Farrell
Tomkins
Bateman

Tautai
Flower
Crosby
Oloughlin

Lockers to spell Micky after 30 minutes then at around 55 minutes Macca comes back on and either lockers carries on in the back row or gets spelled?

At this point in his career less minutes for SOL maybe a good thing ?

So we waste a place on the bemch for a player whis obviously finished but too stubborn to retire, no thanks, not for me

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:31 am  

I don't agree that Lockers is obviously finished as you put it, even if he has not been able to contribute much so far this season. There are quite a few good 'uns knocking about in SL older than him and with even more miles on the clock.
I'm no expert on the subject of fitness but it appears to me that there are more players lasting longer, if you get my drift. Perhaps there's another season or two left in him, God knows we need the experience.
An interesting side debate is his position as England skipper IMO.

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:24 am  

I can't understand this need for Lockers to retire. Put simply - he is our best (and only world class) player.

No-one gets injured on purpose. When he does get injured, it is for the Wigan cause. Yes it is frustrating for us when he is injured, but imagine how bad it is for Lockers himself. There is no reason why he can't come back to full fitness and play for another three or four years, with luck and properly managed.

The absence of Lockers last Thursday throws into focus just how much our pack relies on him. Even a half fit Lockers is still better than any other forward we have IMO.

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:02 pm  

Lockers hasn't been firing but it's not time for the scrap heap yet. All players go through dips in form and I think that's all he's going through.

He'll be back to his best before long.

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:45 pm  

Time will tell with Lockers, his current predicament reminds me of Scully and his final days at Saints, wheeled out for the big games before realising his body was no longer up to the task.

Yet he might come back firing on all cylinders more than contributing to our pack/team...

Time will tell.

Re: Our "forwards" : Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:24 pm  

40+ tackles a game has took it's toll on his body, bout time he retired before he does some serious permanent damage