Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:01 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Sticking my pedantic head on, surely a centre should be classed as a middle

I’m guessing that goes back to the Union terms where most of the original names would have come from where the centres generally were in the middle of the field working together as inside and outside centres rather than split like they do in league ie left and right centre.

Kind of the same with the term scrum half and stand off, since we split them to the left and right the term now seems to be more “half back” for both positions rather that scrum half and stand off.

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Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:31 pm  

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Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:42 pm  

jonh wrote:

You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).

Not sure why they've had to have moved there permanently to be considered. The number of centres in recent years that have also played SR and vice versa is probably only bettered by the number of halves to play FB and vice versa.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:58 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Not sure why they've had to have moved there permanently to be considered. The number of centres in recent years that have also played SR and vice versa is probably only bettered by the number of halves to play FB and vice versa.

Apart from Isa how many Wigan centres have played in the SR even occasionally in the last 10 years??
It’s just a total fallacy that centres make a good SR.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:04 pm  

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Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:05 pm  

jonh wrote:

You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).

If King ever does play successfully in the SR I will eat Pompey. Obviously it will difficult to define successfully but let’s just say he plays 100 hundred games there. It’ll never happen.
If you seriously believe Isa is a great second row then I question more than your judgment.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:16 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

If King ever does play successfully in the SR I will eat Pompey. Obviously it will difficult to define successfully but let’s just say he plays 100 hundred games there. It’ll never happen.
If you seriously believe Isa is a great second row then I question more than your judgment.

Isa has been a great secondrow signing for Wigan.

One of the best signings we have made in the last decade.

Is he a super star? Absolutely not, but has he had a great contribution to the team during his 8 year here, put in huge efforts and done at times the work of 2 so that someone else can do the flash stuff.

I guarantee you if you ask any players that played at Wigan at the same time as he has he would be in all their top 3 team mates line ups.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:54 pm  

jonh wrote:

Isa has been a great secondrow signing for Wigan.

One of the best signings we have made in the last decade.

Is he a super star? Absolutely not, but has he had a great contribution to the team during his 8 year here, put in huge efforts and done at times the work of 2 so that someone else can do the flash stuff.

I guarantee you if you ask any players that played at Wigan at the same time as he has he would be in all their top 3 team mates line ups.

We will have to disagree on this one.
Isa is a decent utility player and I suspect a good clubman but in no way would I put him in the great category.
I can understand that he is highly respected by his team mates but it doesn’t make him a great player albeit he may be a great guy.
A bit of a throwback I would put Mick Cassidy as a very good SR. For me he is far superior to Isa in every aspect.
I’m not anti Isa but I recognise his limitations and he has several.

As I stated before I wasn’t being argumentative for argument’s sake but simply sticking to my opinions that I feel are verified with very few centres who can actually play well in the SR. Obviously you disagree. No problem. Life would be boring without differing opinions.
Enjoy the match tonight.

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:18 pm  

I’ll give it to the lads it’s been our best start so far. Bar the try we’ve had good intensity

Re: Wardle : Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:57 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

We will have to disagree on this one.
Isa is a decent utility player and I suspect a good clubman but in no way would I put him in the great category.
I can understand that he is highly respected by his team mates but it doesn’t make him a great player albeit he may be a great guy.
A bit of a throwback I would put Mick Cassidy as a very good SR. For me he is far superior to Isa in every aspect.
I’m not anti Isa but I recognise his limitations and he has several.

As I stated before I wasn’t being argumentative for argument’s sake but simply sticking to my opinions that I feel are verified with very few centres who can actually play well in the SR. Obviously you disagree. No problem. Life would be boring without differing opinions.
Enjoy the match tonight.

Will agree to disagree, although I will say Isa was outstanding again tonight….as was King.

Very much enjoyed it hope you did too.

All the best.