Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:22 pm  

LondonRobster wrote:

Saints own their own stadium and probably are the most successful side in Super league history yet they are struggling

Saints ground is smaller, a lot newer and presumably not built on a swamp either so I can easily imagine their costs being less.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:23 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

But yet many who own a stadium do better. It works both ways.

By all means we can discuss if the option would be right for Wigan, but I can't see how you can point to a handful of struggling clubs and ignore the ones that do it right?

Which ones do it right?

Jut to clarify, if the Latics takeover goes ahead and we get the same deal, i.e. 10% of attendance revenue then it'll AGAIN be a great deal for Wigan R.L.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:36 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Exactly. He's already essentially done what ruddy duck wants and hasn't saddled the good people of Wigan with the debt.

Ruddy is probably one of those who thinks DW made a profit from his ownership of Latics.

This would never have happened under the gang of four.

Ruddy is also not one who resorts to foul mouth language as it only shows the level of the person who says it

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:48 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Which ones do it right?

Jut to clarify, if the Latics takeover goes ahead and we get the same deal, i.e. 10% of attendance revenue then it'll AGAIN be a great deal for Wigan R.L.

Are you really being that obtuse?

There's 1000's of sporting clubs, up and down the country & across the world, from football, RU, Cricket etc who all own their own grounds & which play a part in how those clubs generate money.

Why couldn't Wigan do the same?

Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the merits of if renting works for Wigan & you're probably right in that it does - just don't tell me that every sporting club that has a ground is somehow wishing they rented a ground like we do.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:49 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Are you really being that obtuse?

There's 1000's of sporting clubs, up and down the country & across the world, from football, RU, Cricket etc who all own their own grounds & which play a part in how those clubs generate money.

Why couldn't Wigan do the same?

Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the merits of if renting works for Wigan & you're probably right in that it does - just don't tell me that every sporting club that has a ground is somehow wishing they rented a ground like we do.

I think what he should have said was - which ones do it right for a stadium of similar size/age with similar match day income?

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:54 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Are you really being that obtuse?

There's 1000's of sporting clubs, up and down the country & across the world, from football, RU, Cricket etc who all own their own grounds & which play a part in how those clubs generate money.

Why couldn't Wigan do the same?

Like I said, I'm happy to discuss the merits of if renting works for Wigan & you're probably right in that it does - just don't tell me that every sporting club that has a ground is somehow wishing they rented a ground like we do.

In RL, I think Leeds and Warrington all very successfully own, utilise and make profit from ground ownership. Its why both have revenues of between £2-4 million more than Wigan, despite being equal or smaller clubs in size and stature. If done correctly it can be extremely beneficial to own your own stadium, hence why I would be very pleased if Wigan picked up the DW for a snip at between 1.5-2million. IMO that would safeguard our future and give us the means to future sustainability, as well as possibly supporting latics avoid liquidation. BUT i think that needs to be assured before I would sign a deal on the stadium. Rental revenue from the Football would be critical to successfully running the stadium, so it actually doesn't help us if they go out of business. As has been highlighted, neither wigan or latics can realistically afford to run the stadium on their own.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:05 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

I think what he should have said was - which ones do it right for a stadium of similar size/age with similar match day income?

That's a more complex question as it depends what brackets for comparing you decide to choose? You'll never find like for like with age and size of different stadiums.

For RL I like Wires approach. Leeds have potential with the work they are doing. Outside of RL I've been to a few RU grounds that I like (The Stoop, Welford Road, Franklin's Garden to name a small few), but they differ in regards to age and size. They still (when the world is normal) make a good go of it tho.

I don't think a stadium is the be all and end all btw. I'm just not as quick to dismiss it as absolute no no, when plenty of teams seem to make it work.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:04 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

That's a more complex question as it depends what brackets for comparing you decide to choose? You'll never find like for like with age and size of different stadiums.

For RL I like Wires approach. Leeds have potential with the work they are doing. Outside of RL I've been to a few RU grounds that I like (The Stoop, Welford Road, Franklin's Garden to name a small few), but they differ in regards to age and size. They still (when the world is normal) make a good go of it tho.

I don't think a stadium is the be all and end all btw. I'm just not as quick to dismiss it as absolute no no, when plenty of teams seem to make it work.

Tesco wont build us a stadium though

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:20 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

The point I was making was that many clubs who own their own grounds struggle far more than we do at Wigan.

The only club in Super League which loses more cash than Wigan on an ongoing basis is Huddersfield - and their problem is a fundamental lack of fans rather than stadium setup.

Re: Latics in administration - Lenagan leading bid : Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:15 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Let's face it, one of the main reasons Latics fans don't want IL to own the ground is because it will reverse the advice. There are plenty of them who are absolutely gleeful that the famous Wigan Rugby are tenants in their ground. It supports the narrative of the town turning blue, or Wigan not being a rugby town anymore.

If nothing else, I really don't think you need to worry about that any more.