Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:18 pm  

We've always had open meetings. On here and I believe the other site and we have invited fans to come and discuss anything that they are uncomfortable with, or can help us with. We are not a clique, far from it.

So please at next meeting come along and raise your concerns, the more the merrier. But we do need help even if it's only preventing what happened last night happening again.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:30 pm  

Cherry.Pie wrote:

What if people like all the hard work that they are doing and the great atmosphere they create at games yet have one or two issues they like to discuss? That seems to have been the case for a few people on this thread, including myself.

Surely it isn't a case of you're either with them or against them?

I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone, I'm just saying all this probably isn't the most productive way to resolve any issues.

I completely understand what your saying but a 10 page thread starting the way it did, looks to give the group a bad name.

If you want to discuss any issues your probably best contacting one of the members.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:31 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

We've always had open meetings. On here and I believe the other site and we have invited fans to come and discuss anything that they are uncomfortable with, or can help us with. We are not a clique, far from it.

So please at next meeting come along and raise your concerns, the more the merrier. But we do need help even if it's only preventing what happened last night happening again.

Well said Rogues, you aerosol weilding hoody you... You should have your hands checked for paint!!

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:48 pm  

random_dav wrote:

it was sprayed using a template not just random spray painting btw

I've seen the same S2 black logo on the back of a bus which had been obviously been sprayed on using a template. I hope this is just a one off as we (as a club) don't want to be associated with the moron(s) who are spraying graffiti all over the place

[Pemps]

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:58 pm  

justarugbyfan wrote:

I wasn't having a dig at you or anyone, I'm just saying all this probably isn't the most productive way to resolve any issues.

I completely understand what your saying but a 10 page thread starting the way it did, looks to give the group a bad name.

If you want to discuss any issues your probably best contacting one of the members.

We're not here to protect the brigantes from anyone. It's up to them to fight their own battles and set the record straight regarding this issue and any misconceptions.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:31 pm  

I think the Brigantes do a great job and its clear to see a lot of time and effort has gone into to creating a better atmosphere at home and away games. Its a shame that this one person who clearly isn't attached to the group had brought all this about.

If I was to give constructive feedback (not a criticism) I would forget putting stickers all over the place as this is technically vandalism and gives the Brigantes group a bad rep. Through singing and putting on impressive displays at games, word will get around. Also add in the Youtube group, forum and website it all helps.

I would also drop the cherry and white balaclava that someone is wearing because it looks intimidating and daft, also the Megaphone looks like you are protesting against something and isn't really needed.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:40 pm  

Smurf wrote:

ul·tra
adj.
Immoderately adhering to a belief, fashion, or course of action; extreme.
n.
An extremist.

I don't think there is anything uneducated about peoples dislike of this term at all. If people attach yourselves with such a tainted term, they should expect their fair share of stick.

You may wish to use a well known video sharing site and search for "Tim Minchin - Context". When you take a word out context it is as meaningless as a word without a sentence.

Afterall, is an extremist not someone who has deep passion about something and supports that passion undyingly? You couldn't deny that a religious extremist takes the actions he/she does because of their unequivical passion of their religion, regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

The reputation of the term "Ultra" is precursive, and it's important to note that Football Ultra or European Ultra does not equal the same as Rugby Ultra or Wigan Ultra. Just the same as Extreme Muslim does not equal the same as Extreme Sport.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:28 pm  

ROBINSON wrote:

Sort of, but there was also a thread telling people not to sit near you if they didn't want to sing constantly and jump up and down in favour of actually watching the game.

If a "Don't sit near us" message is not dividing the supporters, then what is?

Sorry, I can't buy into the whole 'Brigantes' thing. We're all Wigan supporters at the end of the day and I'm not being told how I should support them. By all means, sing, dance, wave scarves, provide flags and all the rest of it - it looks fabulous. But I can't help feeling that MORE people would buy in if you didn't put yourselves on some kind pedestal as an 'ultrafan', somehow better than the rest of us, and give yourselves a label.

But maybe that's just me.

Pretty much agree with this.

I used to laugh at the "Brigantes" in the sense that they thought they were somehow "better" fans then the majority. It really did amuse me. The only thing "Ultra" about them was that drum which is ultra annoying - If that drum was near me at a game it would be a broken drum by the end, but that's more to do with manners rather than anything else.

However, overall they were/are harmless enough and are free to do enjoy themselves I guess. If the "Brigante" thing becomes an umbrella under which idiots can flourish, then it needs to be addressed.

There is no room for this in RL and especially at Wigan RL.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:34 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Pretty much agree with this.

I used to laugh at the "Brigantes" in the sense that they thought they were somehow "better" fans then the majority. It really did amuse me. The only thing "Ultra" about them was that drum which is ultra annoying - If that drum was near me at a game it would be a broken drum by the end, but that's more to do with manners rather than anything else.

However, overall they were/are harmless enough and are free to do enjoy themselves I guess. If the "Brigante" thing becomes an umbrella under which idiots can flourish, then it needs to be addressed.

There is no room for this in RL and especially at Wigan RL.

Can you please explain how you came to that conclusion? I know it's not true.

Re: So who... : Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:48 pm  

Can I just play devil's advocate and ask, is spray painting a logo on a bog wall any worse than plastering it with Brigantes stickers?