Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:37 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Please don't make me laugh.

Wigan will have offered H a contact that was acceptable for a player of his standing in the side. If Salford come in and offer twice as much then it's not up to Wigan to match it.

All this rests on the shoulders of Hansen and no one else. If he really wanted to stay then he'd have stayed. At the end of the day he's been blinded by £ signs and whilst you're correct that he's got a future to look after he's also got a legacy to cement.

There's reasons why some of the Leeds squad took paycuts to remain part of a successfull side.

+1, I guess he thought he had a cupboard full of medals, move on for the cash.

and who can blame him, its a short career.

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:00 pm  

Grimmy wrote: Hardly ungrounded Strange but I can't see the word "shattered" anywhere in that report. His wrist was of no concern to Wigan and has presumably passed a fitness check with Salford. I don't think we need to rationalise his move by claiming he is too old or too injured. We wanted to keep him, he chose to leave, what's wrong with owning up and saying you wished he had stayed. Or are those who are rationalising going to tell us they had these concerns all along?

Grimmy wrote: Hardly ungrounded Strange but I can't see the word "shattered" anywhere in that report. His wrist was of no concern to Wigan and has presumably passed a fitness check with Salford. I don't think we need to rationalise his move by claiming he is too old or too injured. We wanted to keep him, he chose to leave, what's wrong with owning up and saying you wished he had stayed. Or are those who are rationalising going to tell us they had these concerns all along?

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:03 pm  

Guerrier wrote:

I don't blame him on a human level, he's got to do what he thinks is best for his family's long-term interests, I think everyone can agree on that.

He's effectively held the club to ransom though by saying he isn't sticking around, and if we don't agree to the offer he'll walk out on us and leave us high and dry in 12 months. For me, that's a poor way to leave a Club where he's enjoyed so much success.

No worse than the way Sam left IMO.

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:14 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

No worse than the way Sam left IMO.

Fair point !

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:51 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Strange but I can't see the word "shattered" anywhere in that report. His wrist was of no concern to Wigan and has presumably passed a fitness check with Salford. I don't think we need to rationalise his move by claiming he is too old or too injured. We wanted to keep him, he chose to leave, what's wrong with owning up and saying you wished he had stayed. Or are those who are rationalising going to tell us they had these concerns all along?

To be honest I heard that his wrists were shattered to the point he couldn't lift weights from a fairly reliable source, then that article came out a good few months later which I took as validation that what he was saying was true, then a few months later we sold him and I assumed that was taken into consideration when deciding whether to try to outbid Salford. I'll happily stand corrected if anyone knows that his wrist was of no concern as you say but I'd be very suprised if a wrists injury which he has obviously been told will re-occur was of no consequence to IL and SW

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:21 am  

at the end of the day the player was offered a better deal by a rival club, he may not feature in anymore Challenge cup finals, WCC final or Grand finals but Harrison has decided to put his family first and secure a financial reward for his services.

Salford offered him more than we did as they need him more than we do as we have cover for the position (may not be as highly rated as H at the moment but they are young and room for improvement). As a club we do produce a lot of young players that will go on to be SL standard and if we never let experienced players go we can't hope to keep the younger ones as other teams will be able to offer them a higher salary as the Salay Cap doesn't allow teams to horde all the talent.

Good luck Harrison and thanks for all you have done for us since leaving school.

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:02 am  

I am finding it difficult to see the issue with this when you look at it logically.
HH has stated to the club that at the end of his contract he won't be signing again for Wigan but seeking a move to Salford. This would mean Wigan wouldn't recieve any money for HH.
So Wigan can let HH go a year sooner and recieve what is probably a large sum, a sum which can be used to put back into the club for either future developments or a new signing.

Can we carry on without HH? Simply put yes. He's been a constant in our rise back to glory, someone who the club has heavily invested in put he plays in area which we have numbers to cover.

So we can let him go now for a fee or hold him for a year and take nothing.

HH has been a good player for us, but he's not a player who can't be replaced, given time.

Personally I'd play Pettybourne in the SR. He's played far more SR than prop in his career. In fact I think the WC was the first time he's played prop.

Bowen
Charnley Goulding Thornley Gelling
Green Smith
Taylor McM Flower
Pettybourne Faz
Lockers

Looks like a strong pack to me. Personally if I was to use HH's money I won't go for another SR, I'd try to strengthen the left edge, I have my concerns about Thornley and Gelling playing together.

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:05 pm  

HH has a four deal from Salford, would Wigan have ever offered him that length of a contract? He missed the first 13 games last season through wrist problems then was almost ever present only missing v Saints away and HullFC home where he was rested.
As has been said, he'd have left after 2014 and the club not received anything, we let him go now and a considerable fee is paid.
I think his 2nd row spot is between Pettybourne and Clubb. Both have experience but perhaps Eddy is more likely to be used at first as a prop. Clubb played on the right side for London/Quins as both centre and 2nd row. Having been a centre Clubb may pose a more attacking threat down the right side than Pettybourne.
I just feel that Clubb may get the spot. The trial games may indicate the way SW is thinking. Maybe also Burgess could get the 5 spot as he's a real flyer. Having two wingmen with that kind of pace and ability to beat a man is something that will worry opposition teams and their coaches.
We do look strong this year whether we can improve on the league form or get the same number of trophies remains to be seen.
Once again next season will be a season to look forward to.

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:50 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

HH has a four deal from Salford, would Wigan have ever offered him that length of a contract? He missed the first 13 games last season through wrist problems then was almost ever present only missing v Saints away and HullFC home where he was rested.
As has been said, he'd have left after 2014 and the club not received anything, we let him go now and a considerable fee is paid.
I think his 2nd row spot is between Pettybourne and Clubb. Both have experience but perhaps Eddy is more likely to be used at first as a prop. Clubb played on the right side for London/Quins as both centre and 2nd row. Having been a centre Clubb may pose a more attacking threat down the right side than Pettybourne.
I just feel that Clubb may get the spot. The trial games may indicate the way SW is thinking. Maybe also Burgess could get the 5 spot as he's a real flyer. Having two wingmen with that kind of pace and ability to beat a man is something that will worry opposition teams and their coaches.
We do look strong this year whether we can improve on the league form or get the same number of trophies remains to be seen.
Once again next season will be a season to look forward to.

Has anyone actually ever seen Pettybourne play? Always in the SR, no comparison between him and Clubb when both getting game time.

Whenever else has Pettybourne played prop other than in the WC?

Re: Hansen signs for Salford - official : Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:42 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Father Ted wrote:

HH has a four deal from Salford, would Wigan have ever offered him that length of a contract? He missed the first 13 games last season through wrist problems then was almost ever present only missing v Saints away and HullFC home where he was rested.
As has been said, he'd have left after 2014 and the club not received anything, we let him go now and a considerable fee is paid.
I think his 2nd row spot is between Pettybourne and Clubb. Both have experience but perhaps Eddy is more likely to be used at first as a prop. Clubb played on the right side for London/Quins as both centre and 2nd row. Having been a centre Clubb may pose a more attacking threat down the right side than Pettybourne.
I just feel that Clubb may get the spot. The trial games may indicate the way SW is thinking. Maybe also Burgess could get the 5 spot as he's a real flyer. Having two wingmen with that kind of pace and ability to beat a man is something that will worry opposition teams and their coaches.
We do look strong this year whether we can improve on the league form or get the same number of trophies remains to be seen.
Once again next season will be a season to look forward to.

Has anyone actually ever seen Pettybourne play? Always in the SR, no comparison between him and Clubb when both getting game time.

Whenever else has Pettybourne played prop other than in the WC?

I'm sure he would be good in the 2nd row but its a mute point as Wane has previously said he'll be played at prop.

Clubb could be a relevation for all we know - its hard to quantify the difference it must make to go from the doom and gloom environment at London to a winning, professional culture at Wigan.

I honestly think Wane will use pre season training and the trial games to decide who will play 11 and 5 for that matter.