Re: George Williams : Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:21 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

I would hazard a guess that it's more about their own characters than anything Wigan did or didn't do.

Agreed. The common denominator appears to be the personality glitches demonstrated by those two players again and again.

Zak's done stupid things wherever he's been. It wasn't just Wigan. While Jackson was shown the door in Aus, had a bit of a love-in with Salford, where let's face it, he was the biggest fish they'd had in their small pond for years, and when he came over to us, seemed to resent the fact he wasn't instantly regarded as a star. A pity, as both had great talent.

Re: George Williams : Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:51 am  

Cruncher wrote:

Agreed. The common denominator appears to be the personality glitches demonstrated by those two players again and again.

Zak's done stupid things wherever he's been. It wasn't just Wigan. While Jackson was shown the door in Aus, had a bit of a love-in with Salford, where let's face it, he was the biggest fish they'd had in their small pond for years, and when he came over to us, seemed to resent the fact he wasn't instantly regarded as a star. A pity, as both had great talent.

They both show selfish, or at least self centred, personalities. There's very little you can do to override that when someone with those particular character traits "want" something. Their own wants trump anything else. Salford met Hastings' "wants" at that particular time which is why he has an affinity with that club. Wigan was just a job.

Re: George Williams : Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:54 pm  

I can't go trawling that far back through old posts but I did put on here before Hastings had even played a game for us that he had been trying to engineer a move back to Salford and didn't want to be here. I got slammed for it but I swear it's the truth. Watson told him they couldn't afford him. I very much doubt he ever wanted to be here in all his time with us. Probably had a training session with lam and knew he wasn't a coach.

Re: George Williams : Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:15 am  

Pie_Eyter wrote:

I can't go trawling that far back through old posts but I did put on here before Hastings had even played a game for us that he had been trying to engineer a move back to Salford and didn't want to be here. I got slammed for it but I swear it's the truth. Watson told him they couldn't afford him. I very much doubt he ever wanted to be here in all his time with us. Probably had a training session with lam and knew he wasn't a coach.

Lammy clearly lacked much of what makes a good coach. But that doesn't excuse Hastings for me.

We were still his new employers. The very least he could have done was show us some basic respect.

I can't tell you how glad I am the guy's gone. The night when he almost cried because he had to score a try against Salford was truly pathetic. He'd only been there because he couldn't get a gig in Aus.

Re: George Williams : Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:29 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Indeed. I would also point out here that Harry Smith's upturn in form is due in part to no longer playing alongside Hastings.

I feel you’re bang on there.

Re: George Williams : Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:47 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Indeed. I would also point out here that Harry Smith's upturn in form is due in part to no longer playing alongside Hastings.

Couldn’t agree more. That and playing alongside an organised half back in Cust as well as being coached by Briers. The upturn in his form is IMO quite remarkable. He’s gone from a HB a few were calling to be moved on, to an HB we don’t want to ever lose.

Re: George Williams : Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:51 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

Lammy clearly lacked much of what makes a good coach. But that doesn't excuse Hastings for me.

We were still his new employers. The very least he could have done was show us some basic respect.

I can't tell you how glad I am the guy's gone. The night when he almost cried because he had to score a try against Salford was truly pathetic. He'd only been there because he couldn't get a gig in Aus.

Hastings was playing well until he scored then he went into his shell for the duration of the second half . Pathetic ‘love in’ with Salford cost us the game.

Re: George Williams : Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:56 pm  

Hastings and Hardaker were, culturally, two of the worst Wigan signings of all time, so yeah, b*llocks to them quite frankly.

I feel similarly about the subject of this thread. Didn't move back for the money and now is suffering. Erm...good?

Re: George Williams : Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:39 pm  

Another defeat for George today at the hands of Wakefield. - joint next-to-bottom

Re: George Williams : Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:47 pm  

muttywhitedog wrote:

Another defeat for George today at the hands of Wakefield. - joint next-to-bottom

Poor again today too, 1 break, but other than that failed to make an impact, poor kicking game and failed to organise his team.

Him and Widdop just don’t work together.

Some huge issues at Wire, to say their middles are soft is an understatement, seeing players like Oli Holmes missing basic 1 on 1 tackles and low contact intensity from a lad who takes great pride in his toughness shows they have some real problems to amend.